Santos Vasquez

Eric Girouard  0:00  

This is Bucket Talk, a weekly podcast where people who work in the trades and construction that aren't just trying to survive but have the ambition and desire to thrive. The opportunity to trade and construction is absolutely ridiculous right now. So if you're hungry, it's time to eat. We discuss what it takes to rise from the bottom to the top with people who are well on their way and roll up their sleeves every single day.

Jeremy Perkins  0:29  

This is Jeremy and Eric here with Bucket Talk powered by BRUNT. This week, we have Santos Vasquez of ISAVEBZ. But before we jump in, Eric, what's going on?

Eric Girouard  0:39  

Not much, not much. This weekend after 35 years on this earth finally got a truck for the company. I've never had one personally never really driven one other than some of my buddies been driving a Tahoe which is good for the family. But you know, we're in a rugged and tumbled industry Yeah. And needed to get rid of the soccer mom vehicle and, and go with a truck. So for all you Ford or Chevy folks out there, whether you're Ford or Chevy and bow ties, or blue Badges, I went with GMC, so got a GMC AT4 and super pumped, we're already starting to put it to work next week starting to tow some stuff to the trade school we partner with and getting some use out of it. And Jeremy knows more about trucks than anyone. So he's going to help me help us and help me get it up to snuff.

Jeremy Perkins  1:32  

Yep, first thing about trucks is your wife takes it. So I got a farm and my wife took my truck, so she uses it on a daily basis. But speaking of the farm, we we have pregnant goats so first time, you know, we got the goats last year, we were going to breed them and potentially sell them and while they're pregnant, and that's going to be a new chapter in our life. Birthing baby goats and you know, getting them raised and fed. And then we're also looking at meat chickens. So meat birds this year, right now we have layers, but now we're going to get into potentially doing bird so,

Eric Girouard  2:10  

um, any?

Jeremy Perkins  2:12  

Yes, Jenny? We're gonna be like 5060 If you asked me I want to do like one,

Eric Girouard  2:18  

two. So so like one Sunday barbecue.

Jeremy Perkins  2:22  

Yeah, that one beer can chicken. But yeah, no, I mean, we're full with tasks up there. But I guess

Eric Girouard  2:28  

well, I guess more hailing them on. Exactly glutton for punishment.

Jeremy Perkins  2:31  

That's it. That's it. I mean, live in the farm life. Somebody said to me, you know how much work it is. And I was like, yeah, no, I know how much work it is. But I guess I didn't realize how much work it is because it's a lot of work. more work than I've ever been used to. But pay is what it is.

Eric Girouard  2:46  

Yep. All right. Let's dig in.

Jeremy Perkins  2:51  

Today, we're here with Santos Vasquez. He is a beekeeper by trade, correct?

Santos Vasquez  2:56  

Yes. 18 years now.

Jeremy Perkins  2:58  

And your Instagram handle is ISAVEBZ. Correct. Awesome. Well, welcome. And I'm glad you're on the podcast with us and we want to kind of get into the whole beekeeping bee relocation,

Eric Girouard  3:13  

This is a new one for me. I'm excited for this. You know, this is such such a different trade.

Santos Vasquez  3:18  

So I'm happy to be with you guys. Shawn White, my business partner, not the guy with the red hair isn't able to be here with us today. But I'll fill you guys in and what we do.

Eric Girouard  3:27  

Awesome.

Jeremy Perkins  3:30  

All right. So how did it start going way back? How did you get into the wide world of beekeeping?

Santos Vasquez  3:36  

So for me, my ex father-in-law had been a beekeeper forever his dad before him 52 years experience my ex father-in-law was running short-handed. So he needed some help. And I I felt obligated to help him you know, I was married to his daughter at the time I put in my two weeks didn't know lick about bees first day out, fell in love, didn't want to do anything else for the rest of my life.

Jeremy Perkins  3:59  

And it's not like this isn't scary for you because like being surrounded by bees is like insane.

Santos Vasquez  4:07  

It's actually my serenity man. I love it. The more bees the better for me.

Jeremy Perkins  4:12  

You learned all your training and everything on the job. It just came naturally.

Santos Vasquez  4:17  

Yep, I like I said, I didn't know a single thing about bees I learned on the job. And that's pretty much the way you have to learn. You got to stick your hand in the beehive otherwise you're not gonna need and you go from there. So there's

Eric Girouard  4:32  

I don't know anything about this other than I'm sure there's a honey side of the business. There's like a relocation part of the business. There's, you know, cities and towns like give us the rundown on what your industry is about.

Santos Vasquez  4:43  

So basically, there's three parts so you can either do the bee removal, you can do the honey part of it, where you're, you're harvesting the honey and then there's also a pollination part where you're using your bees to pollinate almonds, watermelons, all that good stuff. So three parts I guess I actually am two parts I do the live bee removal and relocation, I'm hired by a bunch of the cities here, HLA's, and I go out and remove their bees and relocate them to a place where they can live on and away from people. And then I also harvest the honey through harvest season, which is telling of March to September, you get the best honey flow here in Arizona.

Jeremy Perkins  5:25  

So to all the bees get relocated to the same area, is that a property that you have or farmers,

Santos Vasquez  5:32  

I work with a few farmers I actually leased land from gaming fish here in Arizona, they're protected from outside harm, you know, any kind of pesticide so then those are under lock and key and then going forward and with purchasing my ex father in law's hives once he's had left, when he approached me about buying them out, I got grandfathered into all his location. So we have plenty of places to put our bees after we remove these hives from unwanted places, we have a staging yard where we're gonna watch their temperament. And then check them for any kind of diseases. Mites is a big problem sometimes so and then from there, after they're good and strong, we'll move them to their permanent places where they're going to make honey for us.

Jeremy Perkins  6:16  

So obviously, there's a queen bee in the hive, you have to take the queen out. And then I would assume the hive then follows

Santos Vasquez  6:25  

Yeah, so the Queen has her own pheromone the bees fan that pheromone until all the other bees where to go. So when we're doing a removal, the main part of removing that hive is to find that Queen once you get her in, we put her in a queen clip, you'll have to watch a couple of our videos to find out what a queen clip is, but it looks like a hair clip. And she's trapped in there. So when we put that clip into one of our boxes, they're gonna fan her pheromone and work their way into the box, then we return that night, that way all the bees are relocated into that box. On top of that we take any of the brood, which is the babies and we strap that into empty frames of rubber bands that also draws the bees in. So we call that moving their furniture so they get a new polished home and, and we get to take them away and where they're going to be able to go on living somewhere else instead of being exterminated.

Jeremy Perkins  7:19  

Now how close can a hive be located to another hive

Santos Vasquez  7:22  

right next to each other. Like I said, each queen has their own pheromones. So those bees going out to forage for honey know exactly where to come back to it's repetition to once they take that orientation flight, they're going to figure out where they're going. And then it's repetitive from there and they know exactly where to go back.

Jeremy Perkins  7:40  

Oh, so you can relocate them right to pretty much the same location as previous hives and utilize all that space,

Santos Vasquez  7:47  

if you're going to move a hive at least a mile away because they fly anywhere from a mile to six miles to forage for food. So within that six miles, it's a possibility that they can lose track of where they are now as opposed to where they were. So you want to kind of decide if you're moving a hive.

Jeremy Perkins  8:10  

Okay, okay. Wow, wow. So where do you picture this career going? Is there more employees,

Santos Vasquez  8:19  

I kind of want to get into the pollination game. But right now, I'm strictly honey, we sell the honey to make a living, but some of the pollination that hurts your bees as far as having to be on the truck for a few days. And sometimes farmers will spray a fungicide while they're there. So it can hurt them also. So getting the numbers up is where I want to go now we roughly run about 400 to 450 hives, if I was in the 1000s then I would definitely explore some pollination

Eric Girouard  8:49  

in how does that work? You bring them to a location then they do their pollination, then you bring them back or bring them to another location and what exactly are they doing? Like you mentioned watermelons and stuff. 

Santos Vasquez  9:02  

So the almonds need the bees to pollinate otherwise we wouldn't have any almonds the cross pollinating for you. So the big thing nowadays is mono cropping where you have one crop for miles on end. And that's all the bees are there for to pollinate these trees or whatever needs pollinated. So you're kind of forcing them to only pollinate what you have for miles and miles. And then it's on to the next crop if you're doing pollination. Wow,

Eric Girouard  9:33  

that's incredible. Well,

Jeremy Perkins  9:35  

it's pretty cool because I've seen the tractor trailers that they travel with. Yeah, yep. To do all that. That's pretty. That's pretty intense.

Santos Vasquez  9:44  

There's a There's big money in pollination, they're paying upwards in the 200 to $215 a hive so you put about 500 of those on the truck. That can be some good money.

Eric Girouard  9:57  

Wow.

Jeremy Perkins  10:00  

So would you increase manpower? Would it be just something that you and your business partner would do?

Santos Vasquez  10:06  

Well, right now we can handle what we have. But if we're going to, if we're going to increase our high town, I'd like to be in the 1000 to 1500 range within the next few years. Yeah, we'll need to hire somebody.

Jeremy Perkins  10:23  

What's your biggest time because I've seen like them remove hives as big as like a Volkswagen Beetle. And you can go down a YouTube hole on beehives, but what's the biggest or even even the weirdest place that you found them.

Santos Vasquez  10:37  

So the biggest removal that I've done, it was in a shed, it was a seven by seven, so we cut out a six by six, but it's still an arm's length to remove the rest of the honey that was in there. And that that was a pretty big one. As far as strangest place this guy had had a hive move into a decorative metal fixture, it was a pig actually. It was a decorative metal pig and the bees had moved in there. And the guy had just built a box around this thing to keep the bees and try to get some money out of it. When we open this thing up, you know, all we saw was the comb hang in there. But when we got into it, we found this pig. Now where do they start it? But as far as harvesting honey, where I've already established the Hive 100,000 to 300,000 Bees, it's gonna produce you some good honey every month.

Jeremy Perkins  11:32  

Wow. Wow. This is insane. The bees are fascinating. I've heard that the world would not exist without bees. And you know, up on our farm, we see bees all the time actually thinking about starting our own hive. We were in a question farm by trade, but we wanted to get into vegetables and fruits and all that stuff. So it would be interesting to kind of keep that ecology but yeah, I mean, where would I start if I was to start my own beehive? First, I

Santos Vasquez  12:02  

would tell you to gain some knowledge, you know, watch some YouTube videos. Like I said in the beginning, you're not going to actually know what to do until you actually stick your hand in the beehive. Right? You can watch as many videos as you want. But until you actually experienced that, you're not going to know then that's when you put your your YouTube to work.

Jeremy Perkins  12:24  

Yeah, we'll get the big beekeeper suit. You're gonna see me out here.

Santos Vasquez  12:28  

Well, if you watch some of our videos, we're pretty crazy. So most of the times we're not.

Jeremy Perkins  12:33  

Right. So how do you go about starting just high level.

Santos Vasquez  12:38  

You can buy package bees, you buy bees from some of these bigger companies that sell you know a couple pounds of bees and give you a queen, you're going to need the equipment to fill that or to house those bees. But you can obviously start little you know, a hobby can very well turn into something you want to do for the rest of your life. So you got to be careful there. Yeah.

Jeremy Perkins  13:01  

Yeah, that's insane. How would somebody get into your line of work? I mean, the trade schools really don't have beekeeping.

Santos Vasquez  13:10  

With me. Well, I fell into it because my ex father in law but you want a mentor. You want someone to mentor you. There's a lot of beekeeping groups that you can join, just to get the basis and then they can maybe even sell you your first set of bees within that beekeeping group.

Jeremy Perkins  13:27  

Does it seem like there's a growing interest in

Santos Vasquez  13:31  

here in Arizona? Yes. The more bees the the merrier. You know, I'm not worried about the bigger guy or the little guy, you know, I'm just doing me.

Jeremy Perkins  13:42  

Yeah, no, I know. It's just it's just interesting because it's like, you wonder if people even know behind the scenes, what beekeeping is all about that you can make a living at it, and that it is a true trade. And, you know, it's not like being advertised by companies like here, come join our beekeeping school. So I was just seeing what the interest is among younger people. I don't think

Santos Vasquez  14:02  

the younger generations are into much first of all, but yeah, these are the older generations are getting in there. They're pushing their 80s and their kids don't want to take over which is pretty weird. You're getting some put in your lap that is pretty valuable. But yeah, there's awareness out there the importance of bees and I think it's catching on that you know, you can have a hive in your backyard and kind of help pollinate your fruits and vegetables. But like I said, I mean, a hobby can quickly turn into two, three hives, and now you have to find locations to put those that's the biggest finding places where you can keep your bees away from the public. A lot of the land is getting chewed up by housing here in Arizona, so we're having to go further west.

Jeremy Perkins  14:49  

Well, is that like a double edged sword too? So like, you see with snakes down in Florida, that, you know, people get these ball pythons and Boas or whatever, and all of a sudden They become too big and unmanageable, so then they just release them into the wild instead of doing the right thing and trying to find a home for that reptile or animal snake, whatever you want to call it the same with with bees is that you've seen people do it as a hobby, but then it's grown out of control. And then now you have to come in and then take over and, and we'll Okay.

Santos Vasquez  15:21  

Well, some people that start off thinking yeah, it's a fun cool idea. And then now your hive is way too big and it's gotten aggressive because you weren't able to maintain it. Or re clean it so yeah, there is that aspect of it too.

Jeremy Perkins  15:34  

Okay, that's good to know. I mean, that's a huge takeaway for for somebody you know, just looking to get in you know, do their part of the ecosystem think they're helping out I eat myself and then next thing you know, you got a massive swarm above your head so

Santos Vasquez  15:52  

that would happen most definitely your your hive gets too big for its home and then it's gonna split off so that that colony can survive and that other half is gonna go and start somewhere else.

Jeremy Perkins  16:04  

Okay, now so

Eric Girouard  16:05  

tell tell me the question that's been bothering me how the heck do you get over the hump of being scared of the bees that they sting you to stick in your hand and have not caring and that's why the bees don't because they don't sense fear or whatever like how has i

Santos Vasquez  16:21  

Well, to be honest, I've never had the fear I didn't even know really what I was getting into either off things hurt tell you the truth. You know some hurt worse than others but as you go and you progress your it's something you expect I expect to be stung if I'm putting my hand in a high with no gloves on so I think the anticipation or the you already know and it's it's bound to happen. So when I do get stung, I can easily swipe my pants pull out the stinger and I continue doing what I'm doing. But they all hurt I mean I'm not gonna lie.

Eric Girouard  16:57  

To this day you still get stung on a regular basis

Santos Vasquez  16:59  

what I get thing I got stung in the cheek today but I don't swell up anymore. When I first started my hands will get pretty puffy but now I can get stung in the face in the nose I mean it hurts Yeah, but I don't get the those pictures that you see on Instagram or Facebook where someone's eyes like looks like they got hit by Tyson. Yeah, yep, yep.

Jeremy Perkins  17:23  

So you make your own honey Correct?

Santos Vasquez  17:26  

Correct. Yeah

Jeremy Perkins  17:30  

Yeah, exactly. But you bottle you package Yeah.

Santos Vasquez  17:32  

So we're, we're involved from start to finish from removing the hive, maintaining the high harvesting the honey. Bottling that labeling it being at farmer's market settlement to you right in front of you. We want to be authentic as possible and that's why we are so transparent. On Instagram on tick tock we we just want you to know where your honey is coming from that you get getting the best quality product and that we are true beekeepers.

Jeremy Perkins  18:01  

Is there any process the honey has to go through or right off the calm it's it's good to go.

Santos Vasquez  18:07  

If you want to eat it right off the comb, you can eat it like that. I mean, honey is anti beer, bacterial antifungal, so nothing can live in it. And a lot of people ask for the honeycomb it's something that's not touched by man. So they want the most cheers form honey.

Eric Girouard  18:25  

And then tell me a little bit about I've heard a little bit about from from some friends who are pretty obsessed with your world. And you eat local honey and it helps you with your allergies because the bees are pollinating with the low like in if you go to a certain area or if you move if you have like the honey they can help is that any truth all that stuff?

Santos Vasquez  18:45  

There I've had so many testimonies about that how the honey is helping with their allergies. The biggest thing is all our honey is raw, unfiltered, so it's not pasteurized 277 microfiltered where we're taking out all the pollen, so pretty much the way it comes out of the hive is the way you're getting it from us. Some have more pollen in them, depending on what time of the year some times that pollen is in a dearth where there's nothing coming in. So if you're getting some of that nectar, honey, you're not going to get the pollen benefits. So you're going to want to have honey from the time that it was collected and harvested where the most pollen was coming in. And your beekeeper should know that he can tell you what honey is going to provide you the most benefits as far as pollen for seasonal allergies.

Jeremy Perkins  19:36  

So there is some truth to it. Oh, very much

Santos Vasquez  19:39  

so I mean I have people coming back I need this. My allergies are acting up so it's working.

Jeremy Perkins  19:46  

Well you got to buy local, unfiltered unpasteurized honey during high pollen season and that's going to get your best bang for your buck. That's

Santos Vasquez  19:57  

going to get the best bang for your buck. The biggest thing Tell people get it from a beekeeper. Make sure you do your research on that beekeeper, make sure he's the real deal because there's a lot of resellers out here. That'll buy from Mexico, Argentina, put it in a bottle and call it local. So do your research about your beekeeper, and your beekeepers gonna actually know which honey you need for those seasonal allergies.

Jeremy Perkins  20:25  

So then that kind of brings you into your next part. So we got some of this amazing beard balm and beard oil and stuff like that. And I you know, off air, you were telling us a little bit about the process and how this is a little bit of a byproduct that you've managed to turn into another business. So tell us more about the perfect man club.

Santos Vasquez  20:44  

When we harvest the honey, we shave off the wax cappings so that we can expose the comb to run it through our extractor. Then from there, we separate the honey from the beeswax and that beeswax can be rendered down and made into different products, lotions, soap, lip balm, you know, it goes on and on. Some of the older generations use it to thread needles. It's good for waxing wood, you know, with your boots, it's made in your boot wax, you know, so I've had a surplus of that night I used to sell it to well now my business partner Jan, I was selling it to her cuz she was making a bunch of soap and then I approached her about making a men's line strictly men's, where we would offer a men's product soap beard balm, which takes the wax and it just took off the perfect man club is the name of that one.

Eric Girouard  21:36  

Love it. It's it's the beard oil. It's the soap. Yeah,

Santos Vasquez  21:39  

we got the the soap, the beard balm, which use the wax. The beard is strictly oils that will condition your skin and kind of help with the coarseness. And then we've experimented and still trying to bring back our like a hand sounds nice. We also make a shape look for the guys that that like to shave. The opposite of Yeah.

Jeremy Perkins  22:10  

Well, it's it's funny, me and my wife. We have goats. So we're thinking about maybe dabbling and soap. And there's just a whole bunch of different variations and ways to do it. And it's pretty, pretty neat.

Santos Vasquez  22:23  

Whether you're doing a hot process or cold process. Yeah, right. Yep.

Jeremy Perkins  22:29  

Wow, this is good smelling stuff. I mean, it's the beard balm is off.

Santos Vasquez  22:35  

Yeah, we've kind of gotten away from the original logo. But the original logo, I kind of brought in the beekeeping part of it, with the pipe being the smoker and the bees surrounding in the hexagon. But yeah, I've tried to incorporate everything I do into beekeeping. So

Jeremy Perkins  22:51  

this is another question that I that I keep on hearing from a lot of people is is, is the bee population actually getting smaller, there

Santos Vasquez  23:01  

is such thing as a colony collapse disorder where you go to visit your hive, and there's no bees there, I tend to think it's more human error than it is the bees just picking up and leaving monocropping being one of them. So that's why I kind of shy away from from pollination, you know, bees weren't meant to be on the truck for three days and and pollinating and only one thing we know back in the days, they would go to citrus, then move on to the next bloom, move on to the next and it's all in one location. And you can't find you can't find that anymore. So kind of man's doing pesticides and other stuff play a big part in that. So you as a beekeeper, you got to find the most natural way to treat your hive. And the best way to do and go about that.

Jeremy Perkins  23:50  

Well, it was interesting that you said that because I actually watched when me and my wife were in the process of doing the whole farm and figuring that out, we watched a movie called The biggest little farm. And I don't know if you've caught it, but essentially it's creating a whole ecosystem instead of these mono cropping farms. And I guess California is like known for having these massive acreages of just egg Lake facilities and that it would be all avocados. And what would happen is they couldn't support that whole ecosystem, from bees to snakes, pigs, everything, right? So we watched this whole video and it was it was pretty interesting on how they took this one farm, this one piece of property, and over the course of seven years, was able to create it into a self sustaining ecosystem, from bees to birds to all of that, and it kind of plays into what you're saying is, is it went back to the way things were versus trying to force something for mass production.

Santos Vasquez  24:44  

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they're thriving big time.

Jeremy Perkins  24:47  

Yeah, and that that was kind of the thesis for for us and we want to try to do that in some way shape or form. I know we're not gonna be able to do it to to the scale that they did it, but it was it was definitely definitely actually worth watching to be honest with you. I'll have to check that out. Yeah, that was not a California.

Santos Vasquez  25:08  

Oh, so that farm is based in California.

Jeremy Perkins  25:10  

Yeah, yeah.

Santos Vasquez  25:12  

Well, that's, that's pretty cool experiment.

Jeremy Perkins  25:15  

Yeah. It was hard to get like, essentially back to nature to, you know, every time something happened every time they did something, it had an effect. So like the coyotes would come in and eat their chickens, but then there's a natural deterrent for the coyote. So there was always a check in balance. But getting your farm back to you know, a natural state was kind of the hardest part of their journey. And it took seven years and a whole bunch of stuff, but once they did, now, it's a self sustaining ecosystem. Awesome. So, but yeah, enough about the nerding the nerdy farmer

Santos Vasquez  25:53  

so my father's dad always said you take care of the bees that the bees will take care of you. And it's it's really that simple. You know, they're gonna for you if you're going to do for them.

Jeremy Perkins  26:03  

So what do you like to do other than beekeeping? You know, when it's time to unwind time to time to chill out and put your feet up? What what do you what are some hobbies sports? What do you like to get into?

Santos Vasquez  26:16  

Well, I love to cook, whether it's grilling, smoking, baking. It's funny because Shawn and I and my business partner started slinging tacos outside of bar before we even became partners than beekeeping. So yeah, we were we wanted to call ourselves either to talk to boys or beans and rice, because but yeah, I love to cook, I make sure that I'm home for dinner every night, whether it's I have to run back out after work, I just I want to be here for my family eight and ask them about their days before I head back out to work. So that's a big part of and time can get away from you as a beekeeper you know, you need 26 hours in the day and you only have 20 but it's it's work life balance, you know, that's the that's a big thing in this trade. You got to find time for everyone.

Jeremy Perkins  27:06  

Now that's kind of what the Northeast is missing up here is some tacos. We don't really the best tacos up here and you guys have taco trucks. It's like tacos on every corner. I mean, this is pretty much the end of the show. But before we go I want to give you a little bit of time to plug something most likely your product and your honey and you know tell people where they can find it if they want to know more about beekeeping what are some of the resources that you have out there or point them in the direction of

Santos Vasquez  27:38  

if you're looking to get into bees basically go on Facebook look at all your local beekeeping groups join that and go from there they typically hold meetings where you can go and ask questions to find me or any of my honey products with the honey man can calm and if you're going to follow us and I appreciate your follow if you're going to at I say BS i Sa ve BZ then that's any handle you can find a set there and then there's the perfect man club if you want to look at some of our products they're perfect man club calm.

Jeremy Perkins  28:12  

Yeah, which is just stuff good stuff. Good

Eric Girouard  28:15  

Good stuff. Definitely we're trying awesome. This has been great. This is an eye opener for a completely new world for me Germanna really so much knew about this stuff Jesus really asking questions and stuff.

Santos Vasquez  28:28  

Well, I reached out and talked to me and I enjoy you're already a customer for life. That's me.

Eric Girouard  28:35  

Awesome that love those videos of a queen the Queen's you had on our boots I saw Holy shit. I was like how the heck is he doing this? Yeah, that was that was kind

Santos Vasquez  28:46  

of staged. I actually put her on my boots so she can walk around but I make good content.

Jeremy Perkins  28:52  

Yeah, we got to see if we can team up to do a boot wax. Oh yeah.

Santos Vasquez  28:58  

For some reason. I thought that you guys already had one. We do we have

Eric Girouard  29:02  

a mix that we have a beeswax mix with. It's part beeswax part mink oil. So it's kind of a concoction. Usually people do just a pure beeswax or pure mink oil. And we have a concoction. But no, we'd love to experiment and see what we can come up with and test it. We got on the boots that tested on so that'd be awesome.

Santos Vasquez  29:20  

I can send you a block of wax you guys go from there. Yeah, we got it. Yeah, that'd be sick dive into the lifecycle of B that's pretty interesting too. So

Eric Girouard  29:29  

Oh, yeah, I would love that would love that.

Santos Vasquez  29:33  

Alright fellas, thanks, man.