Dave Marciano

Eric Girouard  0:00  

This is Bucket Talk, a weekly podcast for people who work in the trades and construction that aren't just trying to survive but have the ambition and desire to thrive. The opportunity to trade and construction is absolutely ridiculous right now. So if you're hungry, it's time to eat. We discuss what it takes to rise from the bottom to the top with people who are well on their way and roll up their sleeves every single day.

Jeremy Perkins  0:29  

This is Jeremy and Eric here with Bucket Talk powered by BRUNT. This week's episode. We got Captain Marciano from the Discovery Channel show Wicked Tuna. But before we jump in, Eric, what's been going on?

Eric Girouard  0:43  

All right, I'm super, super excited, looking into a bunch of new stuff to get involved in and super excited to announce we just actually this past weekend had our first participation in the PBR also known as the professional bull riding Association, we've got two killer riders, Cody Teel and Eli Vaspbinder professionals are rocking their BRUNT patches on their vest, trying to stand the bulls for eight seconds. And so we're dipping our toe testing it out. But so far, it looks like something pretty exciting and hopefully gonna be able to catch one of these in person. See where it takes us. What about you

Jeremy Perkins  1:21  

So remember how I said had two employees that were leaving? Well, now I have to do all the work. I am. I am out of work shape. Let me tell you it's hysterical. I I didn't catch the rodeo on on Sunday, but it's out there mucking stalls by myself and and doing all the grunt work but it feels good to be back into the barn and, and doing some stuff. So happy about that.

Eric Girouard  1:47  

Awesome. Awesome. Let's jump in.

Jeremy Perkins  1:52  

We are here with Captain Dave Marciano, who is better known for his role on the Wicked Tuna National Geographic show. Welcome. 

Dave Marciano  2:02  

Welcome. Thanks for having me, man. 

Jeremy Perkins  2:04  

No problem. So I wanted to get a background on commercial fishing and what better way to look locally at our Massachusetts fishing community and see if we could get a better insight on how good of an industry commercial fishing is. And if it's something that somebody should get into or not, and I wanted to kind of get a little background of who you are, where you live, I don't need the street address but where you live and and how you got here today.

Dave Marciano  2:34  

Sure, well, first where I live. You know, I live in Beverly mass, which is near Gloucester I keep both boats in Gloucester it's 15 minute ride down the highway. It's got grew up in this town Beverly, and you know, Gloucester is a great place. Gloucester has a over 400 year history of fishing. It's the oldest fishing seaport in the country. Second only to New Bedford. Yep. So, you know, go back to the days of whaling, right? So that's where if you're gonna have a boat, you know, that's where all the infrastructure is. Right? You have the fish buyers. You have the ice companies, you have the fuel companies, if you doing anything at all on the boats, as far as maintenance needs, you know, everything you need to go fishing for a living, exists in Gloucester. So that's why I base the boats there. And then I simply live in the town that I grew up in.

Jeremy Perkins  3:37  

How did you get into commercial fishing? What was your background? You

Dave Marciano  3:42  

know, my dad sold insurance for vivid. Nobody in my family was a fisherman before me. I just had a passion for fishing. That started when I was a, you know, young kid, my parents couldn't keep me away from the water. And it started just fishing. You know, nothing fancy with barbers and minnows for bass and panfish and everything else and trout. And you know, that passion just kept growing. I had my first job on a boat when I was about 12 years old. It was the local harbor boat, you know, the party boat where it took out 30 or 40 people out in the harbor for for our trips, you know, and I started out scrubbing backups in, work my way up to where I am today. You know, I I worked through that industry, you know, the for hire industry, pretty much all through high school and a couple of years afterwards. You know, then life happens and I got married. And that's about the time I got into the commercial end of things. Primarily guild adding was my favorite fishery to participate in. And I did that for a lot of years. And again, worked my way up eventually, somebody gave meter keys to their boat. And I ran other boats for, you know, five years or so and saved up enough money to buy my own rig. Oh, nice. I bought my first commercial boat the angelica Joseph, I bought in 1995 We were incorporated is when I started my business, Angelica fisheries. And I've Oh, that's my corporate logo, Angelica fisheries Inc. And you know, I incorporated for all the business reasons you incorporate taxes, liabilities, etc, etc. And I've owned five boats under that corporate name. Oh, hard virgin dice and Falcon are the ones that people on the show are familiar with. Correct?

Jeremy Perkins  5:46  

How'd you get into tuna fishing? I mean, you went from what ground fishing, which is, you know, draggers and trawlers to go.

Dave Marciano  5:53  

No, no, no, no, on those commercial boats look as a commercial fisherman in New England, different seasons being different species, right? commercial fishermen are opportunists. We're not in it for the sport, we're not in it for the thrill, although it is very thrilling occupation. Maybe that's part of the adrenaline rush that keeps you into it is always the big score the search for the big score. But, you know, that became part of the year, you know what I mean? A few years, months a year, if tuna fishing was good, if we say good, if it was lucrative, if we could make some money doing it, we would do it. And I've always felt that the key to successful tuna fishing isn't so much you know, how much you get for the overall year. It's knowing when to stop when it no longer becomes profitable. Because real fast the way expenses are, you can chew up a month's worth of profit not catching. Mm hmm.

Jeremy Perkins  7:00  

Well, I mean, that's, that's an actual good point for us. For me. Anyway, I'm an auto mechanic, I spend, you know, a lot of the times fixing cars and doing repairs. That's my daily business. But, you know, we do have snow plowing in the winter time. And for me, it's another opportunity to take, you know, bigger check and make a more lucrative living that way. So, for me, it's the thrill of snow, getting that big paycheck that big snowstorm but yeah, it's hit or miss. Yeah. So what's a day in the life of a captain? What makes you wake up every morning? Take us through a normal day?

Dave Marciano  7:34  

Well, no, look, I mean, one thing is, as much as we do it, and although I have gays, when you know, I don't want to be at work, just like everybody else, for the most part, I love what I do for a living. And even when, you know, the alarm clock goes off at 1:30am. You know, we roll out of bed. And my biggest thrill is, you know, I always feel like I'm late. Because the way we operate, if you're not out on the fishing grounds, you know, by sunrise, you've already missed the best opportunity of the day. Yeah, you know, I wake up at 1:30am, some mornings, you know, between one in three is my average time to get up and head down the boat. Until we get out to the fishing grounds. As far as I'm concerned, it's rush hour.

Jeremy Perkins  8:27  

I always asked the people that I that I interview, what they want their kids to join the trades. You know, I spend a little bit of time with my daughter, my son's a little too young. But you know, I bring her in the garage, she helps me change oil and, and do a few things. But you know, for me, it's building a skill. It's building a base that that she can work from whether whether it's being a better consumer later on, or whether it's actually entering the trades fully. And I know you have a family, and it seems that you're supportive of the trades. But why would you allow your kids to go on the trade? What do you see in the trades that you might want for your children to understand?

Dave Marciano  9:05  

Well, look, the fishing industry is a tough situation. Right? It's not that there's lack of fish anymore. There's plenty of fish. The government over regulation has literally destroyed an industry here. Yeah, at least in New England. You know, we implemented sectors in New England, about a decade ago. And that was a quota system, we have to buy the quota. And, you know, basically put the industry in the situation where, you know, get big or Get the eff out if you don't have the ability to buy a million dollars worth the quota and have it sit on the shelf for a few years. You can't really play the game anymore. Because if you don't have the quota up front, you can't leave the dock to go fishing. And the way the regulations are. It's kind of sectors in the way England art district, some other Quota Management scheme work a little better, because at least once you have a hard quota, you have access to the resource. A New England, we tried to have a hybrid system where you have to buy the quota up front, and you don't get to access the resource in the areas where the fish are most abundant. During the times of the year that the fish are most abundant, those closed areas are part of the broken system that we had in place before. So the whole thing is completely broken in. Literally in that decade, we've lost 90% of the commercial fishing fleet in New England, we went from about 1700 active commercial fishing boats in the groundfish fishery, to down to about 80, and about 7000 jobs. So it's not because of lack of fish, a lot of the fish are listed. As far as health of the resource goes, go for me, dopamine addicts are Katie and redfish are just a couple examples of many that, you know, these species have been fully rebuilt since 2002. In 2006, in literally this day and age, we don't catch the vote is for the year, because there's basically not enough fishermen to catch what the government, Allah says, is available out there. So we leave voter on the table, the system has been completely turned upside down.

Jeremy Perkins  11:26  

Wow. You know, and when I spent my time in the Coast Guard, it was interesting, because we did northern fisheries tours, I was based out of Boston, and

Dave Marciano  11:34  

So you probably interacted with guys like me

Jeremy Perkins  11:37  

So most of our stuff was done out in New Bedford. But you're right, it was interesting, because there are closed groups and open groups. And you know, if you're fishing a closed group that, you know, you're in violation, and, you know, a lot of times it was about education, but you get on into fish counts. And so the commercial fishing industry is heavy regulated. And, you know, I don't know too much about it. And that's why I'm asking your insight is that trying to look at it from a standpoint, do you think that there's going to be a resurgence? Do you think that

Dave Marciano  12:06  

No, no, no, look, I was very active in the management process. You know, in the fisheries management councils for several decades, I feel like it was a waste of my life. Because at the time, I didn't have faith to do process. Yeah. And you know, that's why I've always supported the Coast Guard, because the Coast Guard had representation in all the fisheries management process. You know, and I always understood the truth was is, you know, that was never the Coast Guard's mission to be fisheries enforcement officers. But given the way the system worked, you guys wound up, you know, because early on, we were like, you're making all these laws, and you got absolutely no one out there and forcing them. Yeah, you just making the crooks rich. Yeah. Right. Because those of us playing by the rules were playing by the rules. And then nobody was enforcing anything. So if you were willing to be dishonest, you made a killing. If you were one of the honest fishermen. You know, this is going way, way back, right.

Jeremy Perkins  13:10  

Oh, I know this. I've heard the stories. It's actually pretty interesting that you know, there's been guys that and it was in the lobster, lobster fishing, whether you scrub lobsters or we're catching on undersides lobsters. A lot of the times it was handled in New Bedford or Gloucester or Maine or it was never handled by the Coast Guard of another fisherman found out what you were doing. It was it was way worse than what the government was going to do for you

Dave Marciano  13:34  

exactly as archaic as that was I think it was a good system. But but you know, because the thing is, it was played fair in those days. Yeah, you know what I mean, everybody played there for that reason. And then he went to this, you know, time of change. And literally, you know, some of us stood back and we watch the crooks get rich. And we stopped short of being rats. You know, I mean, yeah, you know, the way things were, it wasn't the old days anymore, and we couldn't intervene the way we would have liked you. Yeah. So, so it was frustrating to watch us giving up fish and watching the crooks just rake it in, right?

Jeremy Perkins  14:17  

Well, and that sucks, because, you know, my wife is in the hardwood flooring industry. And what they do is is sustainable forest now and sustainable forests are awesome, because people think that you cut down a tree, you're killing a tree. And that's not true. There's a huge system behind it for every tree that's cut down, there's three more trees planted. And so you're looking at it from a conservation standpoint and a lot of people that are you know, in fisheries or in hunting or in you know, what products or what have you are actually your best advocates for the resource that they're, I wouldn't say depleting but taking from that that's the livelihood. That's what you want to pass on to your children is an abundant fishing grounds. So I 100% wholeheartedly, you know, agree with you in the fact that you know, being able to police Your own and not taking more than what you should is, has always been the way New England works. But I guess things have gotten a little different recently.

Dave Marciano  15:09  

Yeah, well, yeah.

Jeremy Perkins  15:12  

So, you know, I was gonna ask you about unspoken trends, but I think you really covered that. Tell me about something cool that you've been doing recently, anything that you've been excited about

Dave Marciano  15:23  

The show without a doubt, right has opened doors for me that you'd never in a million years? Did I ever see myself walking through it? No, is you know, there's there's a part of me that in a small part of me like I was content, but I was just Dave The fisherman, right. And we made a living and it was a tough living. But, you know, again, I enjoyed my job. And now my life has changed so much. Because, you know, again, and I did this, for one simple reason, right? As a commercial fisherman, I'm an opportunist. Just like I've always been, I saw an opportunity to make a few bucks when it all started. And they were doing interviews, and they asked me if I wanted to participate. The first words out of my mouth was is there a check involved, right? That's the only thing I was interested in. That's the only reason I ever walked down this road. But a lot of interesting things go along. Like with that, like this notoriety. It's all pretty good. But you know, there's times when sometimes it's overwhelming, because, you know, it's not like I was a struggling actor. And, you know, it's like, you know, okay, get ready, because someday I'm gonna make it and you know what I mean, this is an overwhelming part of that, considering where I came from as a commercial fisherman. It's quite an anonymous way to make a living. Yeah, but it has been one hell of a wild ride, you know, I will say that it's been an opportunity of a lifetime for me and my kids. And it's been a great way, you know, I mentioned the regulations and how it's changed the face of the industry. And, you know, it's given me an opportunity to figure out how to continue, you know, owning by boats, and surviving and even thriving in the fishing industry. And, and yes, it's different did before in the past, you know, I've made the majority of my income, gill netting and long lighting and dragging. Yeah, in chat is, you know, as those laws were changing, you know, we got our captain's license, because we have to have our mariners credential to carry passengers for hire, as I'm sure you're well aware. Like, so we decided to go down that road, and, you know, for a few months a year, because of regulations, we couldn't make money doing something else. We do a few China's in the summertime. But now because of the show, I mean, what a great opportunity to build the Charter Business. I mean, you think about it, my charter boats now, quote, unquote, are on TV, you know, 27 weeks a year? Because we can Junior, right? Yeah. What what are the chat about operator wouldn't like that opportunity to build business? And then, you know, you think about it? What a unique opportunity when it comes to a TV show. What other TV shows out there? Can you watch? I did, you can go on the website. And I'm going to be self promoting here for a moment. Angelica fisheries.com is our website. And you can go on there and see about come doing a fishing trip with us. But one other show, can you have a favorite character? They didn't pick up the phone? They call him up and go hang out for the day?

Jeremy Perkins  18:41  

Yeah, that's, that's amazing. You know, it's things like that, that, you know, becoming innovative in your own industry is the biggest thing. I mean, for me, I came to a crossroads as a mechanic that, you know, I wonder at what point we're going to change from, you know, operating as a small business to operating as a, you know, Ford or, or Chevy, or even these electric vehicles, that everything's changing, and you have to keep up the way it was always done is obsolete. You always have to be forward thinking and that's awesome that you're able to not only create a living for yourself, good living, but now you're creating a living for your family. That's amazing.

Dave Marciano  19:21  

Yes, no, it's been it's been a fantastic opportunity. And again, you know, I'll be the first to admit, we're not better than other guy cuz I noticed there's 1000 Other commercial fishermen out here in New England, who could have benefited from the same opportunity I've had. And, you know, my only regrets are I couldn't bring more of those guys who needed it just as bad as I do along for the ride with me. But unfortunately, that's not how you know the system works. So I was very fortunate. I was very lucky. It doesn't make me better than anybody. But I saw opportunity. And you know, like to say a lot, I've said it before, you know, I'm gonna ride this wave till it crashes on the beach, right?

Jeremy Perkins  20:11  

So I wanted to get into a little bit of tools of your trade. And for most people, I they think when they think of fishing, like you said, bobbers, and freshwater rods, or whatever. But if I wanted to be a commercial fisherman, what kind of gear do I need to show up with?

Dave Marciano  20:29  

Well, you're gonna need, you know, simple, simple things, you're gonna need a set of boots, instead of oil skins, keep yourself dry, where you know, the jacket, pants, as I said, a deck boots. If you're handy with a knife, that's also helpful, you know, if you can cut this, and all that can be learned. But you know, the way it works and commercial votes, especially when you start now, if people do have that desire is, you know, the more useful you are, the more you will be paid. Because, you know, the way it works and commercial votes are working for is share the catch, or crude share, it's called. And you know, guys who can do three times the work is you are going to get paid more. Now, when you can do the equal amount of work, you will be entitled to the equal amount of Bay. Yeah. Right. So that works. Let's wait. It's always work. And you know, one thing about the commercial fishing industry is, there's only one way to learn how to do it, and anybody can do it. All you got to do is have the desire, you're going to get on a boat and get some experience. And that's how you learn to do it. You can't learn it from a book, you know, there isn't a school to go to. Although, you know, there is extreme fishing in Gloucester is actually in the business of teaching guys. It's kind of a little thing that sprouted up, you know, from some unemployed fishermen. No, they're in the business now of teaching new people, you know, the tricks of the trade and how to bet nuts and stuff, which gives you an edge over other candidates. If you're asking around looking for words. You know, if you can say you can mend if you can say you can cut fish, well, that's gonna make you more attractive to an employer than somebody they have to break in from scratch.

Jeremy Perkins  22:24  

What was crazy, I got on a scallop boat a long time ago, we're doing a boarding and it was interesting, because those guys can chuck scalps so fast and without cutting themselves. And it's, it's amazing. I mean, the absolute skill and precision. It's interesting. Yeah, in

Dave Marciano  22:42  

anybody can learn it, you don't need he just have the desire to put the time in, you know, first to his, you know, it sucks, right? It's gonna be long hours for not much pay. And the faster you learn, the faster you move up the scale. Okay. So if you're interested, the next question is, how do I get into it? Same way we all started, you got to get down to the dock and show up and ask for work. And you're probably gonna say no, the first time you go back, and they'll probably say, No, the 10th time you go back, put around about the 10th time you go back and work. That's going to tell the owners that this guy's serious. If I give him a shot, him or her if I give him a shot, they might actually try. You know what I mean? By showing up, there's a lot of times, get people that show up is the hardest part of the battle for abodo data. So if you continuously show up, even when you told we don't need you today, they know you're you're telling that oh, that the day he says I need you, you're gonna be there.

Jeremy Perkins  23:51  

Now. I mean, that's actually an amazing test. It's simple. And it's something that you know, a lot of people can't pass nowadays and exactly. So, I would say wicked tuna is probably the thing that changed your career, but I'm giving you a chance to say otherwise, if that's not true, I

Dave Marciano  24:08  

mean, no, look, I'll admit, we can tuna. It's rude an opportunity has changed my career. And you know, not only am I running the boats and the boats are thriving, and that's great. We do get compensated for being on the show. And you know, the key is, it wasn't much at first but again at first I asked if there was a check involved it even though it wasn't a lot of money at the end of the year, you know, they were gonna put cameras on the bow look over our shoulder. Right well, we're gonna go fishing anyway. So at the end of the season, it was like getting a check for a handful of fish we didn't catch for me in the crew. Okay, we're gonna get three weeks of bonus pay. It was a no brainer, right? Yeah, like anything else to do. We're gonna go fishing anyway, they wanted to look over our shoulder. Yeah, The key to longevity is the key to making money in every season you do the deals get a little bit better you build on the last season to now, you know, we just got to pick up letter to begin filming Season 10, you know, starting this summer. So, you know, that's a decade we've been on TV, and I'll admit it, it's funny, it's, you know, there's been a thing going around online, but everybody speculate and how much we're making and blah, blah, blah. And I just find that odd. But, and I'm not gonna go into detail. But, you know, I will admit, it's been, you know, the greatest opportunity of my lifetime, and it's all built out of the shell, exactly, of doing things that had not happened, I can honestly say, I wouldn't be at the level of Matt, if I was still just commercial fishing only. But again, that industry that I thrived in no longer exists.

Jeremy Perkins  26:01  

So I actually enjoy fishing. I'm freshwater Fisher, I do go out every now and again, saltwater fishing. But freshwater fishing is my passion. I enjoy doing it outside of work. What do you do to kick back and unwind?

Dave Marciano  26:21  

No, that's interesting. You know, for 30 years of my life as a commercial fisherman, I literally it seemed like, you know, you never had time, you would never have enough to relax and unwind. And if you did, if you took the day off, where you just didn't you know what I mean? We were never that far enough ahead. It was always, you know, a battle continues. Right? So I guess the one of the big changes in my life is, I've said it in other interviews, you know, they've gone down that road and what it's meant. And the way I like to describe it is it's meant for me, in my family, you know, for the first time in my life, it feels like I'm getting a little bit ahead in the rat race, right? It's a comfortable feeling. And I actually can take a day off once in a while and not stress out over it. The problem is, is I have no idea what to do with myself. I think this whole idea of relaxing, after so many years of being on the go, learning how to relax is another thing. I'm slowly learning how to do for the days off that I do have. But you know, look, I spent my life on the water right at this point. I've probably spent three quarters of my adult life at sea on a boat bouncing around, and one way or another. So if I'm not doing that, I'm okay was kicking back to the couch and watching a little TV. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because yeah, I know that on the boat. When you do jet day drifts, you know, you think about it. And you know, it sounds weird, but yeah, okay, we've been fishing for 10 days, we haven't watched TV, I haven't, you know, sat on the couch. And I haven't sat in a comfortable chair. So when I get in from that I'm okay with sitting in my chair in the TV room and kicking back and just chillin.

Jeremy Perkins  28:18  

Ironically, you say that it's because, you know, every now and again, I miss being out on the ocean. I mean, we were two months in two months out. Yeah.

Dave Marciano  28:26  

And that's a you know, we were, I was

Jeremy Perkins  28:29  

talking to my wife the other day about I had a college course that had to do with astronomy. And I said, I wish I could take you out on a boat, far away from light and show you the night sky because it's just, it's just unbelievable. But yeah, being on a boat for that long. I mean, you hate it.

Dave Marciano  28:46  

Like, that's funny. They go on and on, on the show about us being up for a couple of days. And that's a good play. You know, we knew the Yukos Gods guys freaking vote for? Was it two months? Yeah, you know, it's funny, it's one time and I won't name the cutter. Right. But, you know, we have a pretty good reputation over the years, you know, because we were always compliant. And again, because of my experience in fisheries management, I always made sure we were accommodating as possible, because I know some of the guys in the industry were pretty nasty about the situation, I think because they just did not understand the situation. Right. So you know, it's funny, though, is one time I hear the guys talking, you know, because it before they bought it, we were just sitting around eating a box of cheese. It's a you know, evident Root Beer jet, you know, around a galley table, and we got boarded it you know, I heard the guys somebody made a comment, you know, I don't think I was meant to hear but it's like, oh, man, we've been on Jesus for like two weeks. Don't it was so we hooked him up with a bowl of Jesus. We allowed him to dive in and we had to swear though. We wouldn't tell anybody with it. You know, because obviously there's all kinds of, yeah, they're like, oh, no, we can we can relax a little right? It's like Jesus, please share. Well, it

Jeremy Perkins  30:14  

was funny because when we go down to the Caribbean, that was one of the things when we switched over from, you know, 2% milk or whole milk down to goat's milk. We knew that we're, we're in for the long haul. So but you've probably heard in prior episodes that I like Chevy trucks. Chevy is a passion of mine. And that's what I drive. It's my plow truck. It's my home truck. What do you drive for vehicle?

Dave Marciano  30:39  

I just I like Chevy's, Chevy's, I left three trucks. I voted Chevy's. And I pretty much drive him into the ground. Yeah, you know, again, like for the show, too, it's great opportunity. Some of the guys, you know, are running around now driving their $80,000 pickup trucks. And that's cool, right, but I get the same truck. I've been driving look, because of the show because Chevy's a title sponsor of wicked Joona, he asked me to do one of the companies, you've seen the commercials, you know, the way it works in TV world, the title sponsor is a big thing. It's a big reason why the show happens. So we could get basically the vehicles and employees cost, right. So it was after that first season, the Chevy that I was driving before that, that was I think it was almost 20 years old, it had 275,000 miles on it, right? Yeah, it finally gave out. And you know, I found out, you know, because of the show, we could get this discount on Chevy's. So that was the first truck that was in, you know, after season one aired, so I think it was just prior to season two, I got that vehicle. Now. I'm still driving it today. But that was the first time in my life I ever bought, you know, a brand new truck. I always bought used, okay, because of the you know, the way the the depreciation is to drive it up the right, you just threw away 35% Yep. Right. So I always bought a used truck. And you know, I was happy with that. But because of the opportunity, you know, the way that deal with, I got a you know, I had a truck, I think it had 14 miles on it when I took possession of it, which was a milestone in my life. It was the first vehicle we owned and our whole family ever knew. But it was because of the opportunity of this show. I wanted the most basic track they could make. I even wanted roll up window, but they couldn't find one that had roll up windows. They don't make them anymore.

Jeremy Perkins  32:46  

So it's funny that you said that your first truck died out, but they don't die out. They rot out in New England, if you go to the inspection station, and they tell you, you can't drive your truck anymore. Right, right. But at this point in time, I mean, the end of the show, and I just wanted to give you a chance to say any last words, you know, mentioned anything that you want to mention your company matter.

Dave Marciano  33:10  

Yeah, look, I'll give the company line you know, thanks for everybody for watching. Please tune in Sunday night 9pm on the National Geographic channel. And if they have any interest in visiting our website and seeing about the boats, ordering their T shirts, hats or bobbleheads, you know, that's my retirement account. Make sure you get two for your friends. It's it's angelicafisheries.com.

Jeremy Perkins  33:38  

Well, Dave, thank you for being on this. Actually, Captain. Thank you for being on this show. I still respect my seafaring days. But yes, thank you. It's been a pleasure. And we'll talk

Dave Marciano  33:51  

Alright, very good, man. Thank you. It's my pleasure.