Cowboy Cerrone

Jeremy Perkins 0:00
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Jeremy Perkins 0:13
All right, we're at the BMF ranch with cowboy Cerrone. It was actually pretty funny, cowboy, I rolled up this morning. You were out there fixing a fence, and you said something to me that was, was pretty cool. It was like, people are gonna think, this is stage, but the reality is is like you're out here getting grinding every day, fixing welding.

Jeremy Perkins 0:33
Kind of walk us through what you had going on this morning. Work never stops, huh? Now we were opening this gate this morning, and the fucking

Cowboy Cerrone 0:42
thing broke off. The the

Cowboy Cerrone 0:44
bottom lat snapped off. Anyways, perfect day. You guys. Good, good, good. Yeah, my ranch hand went and just opened the gate to bring new water in for the duck pond. And the hinge broke, snapped off, the off the side of the pole, so we had to cut the pole out, concrete, new one in re hang the gate. And, yeah, here we are now. Yeah, so that's a that's a fucking fantastic segue into. What we wanted to talk about is this, you know, there's a, there's a fighting, racing and badass, cool cowboy. But you know, you grew up in Colorado and then came out here, but you have a huge foundation in the trades. And I know you were, you were walking me through a little bit of what you guys got going on at the lake house and stuff like that. But, you know, go back to your trades. I know we talked the last time about your roofing company and and doing all that stuff, but I want you to elaborate. Go, go deep into the that you do. Because, you know, for the for Instagram, for social media, for all that stuff, people like, oh, you know, you don't do that, or whatever, maybe, maybe not. But the reality is, is you're a blue blood and you've always been one. So that's funny, that when I was up there tiling, the people are like, God, what can't you do? You know? And when it comes to blue collar work, I mean, I just grown up doing it, yeah. So when you are have a short fuse and kind of a told to be around you work a lot of jobs because your boss will say something that piss you off. You either got to leave or whoop his ass. So it's the or, or when we're being on another trade lane, harbor floors, or any kind of flooring I've worked, you name the flooring I've done it, yeah, just at the lake house, I put brand new carpet in and brand new tile throughout the house. So it's a which I thought was a small job turned into a really big job. And now, now that I've redone a little bit of tile, I'm redoing all because it's just got to look good, right? Yeah, yeah. So I got a picture from him the other day. Was like, Dude, I need more broad pants. I've been me and my dad were painting them and blowing through them. Obviously, they hold up,

Cowboy Cerrone 2:40
but, you know, you put him to the test and so, but you do a lot of projects with your old man, huh? Yeah, well, he just comes down and gives me a hand, helps me, but, yeah, I mean, he's kind of the guy that showed me when I was young How to Be a man. We had a cabin up in the mountains when I was a kid, and we always had issues. So, electrical, plumbing, roofing, siding, concrete, where I've done it all, and not to mention when I was a kid, growing up working all these different trades, like, I remember when I was in high school, 1716, getting my license, $10 an hour was a lot of money back then, right, right? It was like the minimum wage was five and a quarter. And if you were a construction worker, you got like, 10 to $13 an hour, and you were getting high in cotton, you know what? I mean, it was awesome. So I would always just work those trades, because at that age, you're like a brunt, you're just a go get this, do this. And as you mature through the ages and the companies, they kind of show you, like, oh, this kid kind of has an idea. Let's teach him a bit of the trades. Yeah. That's where I always was throughout the different working Yeah. So you're in your 40s now. 42 just turned 42 so you know, you had a long experience in the blue collar world. What is, What's your specialty? Are you kind of a jack of all? My special would be roofing, yeah, yeah, roofing and flooring, for sure. I did a lot of flooring, hardwood floor, concrete, like polished concrete, yeah?

Cowboy Cerrone 4:01
Oh, that sucks. It's the worst. The only thing worse than polishing the concrete would be the guys laying the concrete. Yeah, but polishing it, I mean, it's just dusty and dirty and but harbor floors, tile, you name it. We, we've done what the old man do for work. He's a firefighter. Oh no, achieve the fire department. But he just, he's retired now. I say that he's retired from the fire department now, but he works for he's a general contractor at a company in Colorado Springs. So knowing the trades, you know the where I lack is electrical. I don't have the electrical knowledge, like, I can hook up fans and run lights and, like, we've wired everything in here, right? But when it comes to the big breakers and, like, the big stuff, that's where I don't like playing with the 220

Jeremy Perkins 4:43
No, no, I kill you. But so you now have the ranch, and you've been busting your ass here, but you do bison,

Cowboy Cerrone 4:52
bison, yeah. Why'd you get into that? It's a very good question. I No, no, I just I got a white one. I thought was really cool. And then the white one. Add to more other brown ones, and then our white one had another white one, and now we have a bunch. And I just thought it'd be really cool to have a buffalo

Jeremy Perkins 5:07
ranch and there and there, the white ones are uncommon, correct?

Cowboy Cerrone 5:11
Oh, like one in a trillion. So a white female, which is impossible to find, it took me, like, seven years to find her on once I did, there's, like a native. We always have a bunch of Indians come out on the ranch, like on the fence line, and do, like, yeah, they it's like a here in New Mexico especially, took a big what tribes out here. We have the isletta tribe, okay, the sandias. And then, what is it, you Matt, there's several, yeah, but the white buffalo to them is like a sacred, you know, it's like a shows, like, a good four coming, yeah, and then when my white female gave birth to a white male, that's like, in the trillions, really? Oh yeah, white giving birth to white. So it basically means, like, good fortune. No Show. Hopefully that's a comment is screaming this way, but it's cool. We also have a bunch of heifers out there, and we're experimenting with Beefalo. We had our first one drop last year. We'll probably have a few more coming this spring. So excited for that. What does that taste like? I don't know. I haven't had before. I mean, I've had beefalo at the market, like, just through random places, but never

Jeremy Perkins 6:11
my own good. So that was there a learning curve there? Or you just hop right into it and you

Cowboy Cerrone 6:15
kind of everything's a learning curve. Every day is a new learning curve. Yeah. You know, nothing's ever the same, like even welding a fence and fixing a fence. Sure, there's a right way to do it, but then there's the way to get it done right now. Yeah? So, yeah, we get it done with what you got correct? Yeah, yep, exactly. And just fix it and get it going. Trailers, you name it, there's always something to be worked on or fixed here. And Nathan, my ranch hand, was out there working. It's an all day long, everyday process. Yeah, so fences and so our fence line, I don't know if you guys are familiar, like a king ranch for truck, yeah? So that's the king's property right behind me, really, yeah. And they have a bunch of cattle with their bull keeps jumping the fence trying to get over here and see what's up with mine. So we're always fixing the fence, because you wouldn't believe, but a cow could jump an eight foot fence, really. Well, he tries, yeah, and gets, like, halfway, and then blows it over. But so, yeah, we're constantly running. Witnessed it in person. No, I've had to bring him back several times, like he's over here hanging out.

Jeremy Perkins 7:10
So we talked about this the last time we were up here. But that happens, right? You have, you had one blow through the fence. Never mind. Oh, you went out and grabbed somebody else's because over here, yeah, with mine, yeah, I had to bring him back, yeah, yeah, good. But mine have never strayed. Yeah, they have to too good of food here. And your plan is to build a butcher shop here, yeah? Butcher shop here. So what for myself? All that, just for myself. So you're gonna have walk ins. You're gonna have a hole, yeah,

Cowboy Cerrone 7:39
hanging rooms, walk in, I got to put a whole septic system in, because washing all the guts and blood down, yeah, something that I can pump out pretty easy, you know, yeah. So that's the that's the plan, but yeah, just just, there's a lot of blood and guts that come with butcher and

Jeremy Perkins 7:55
animal, yeah, yeah. And then what do you end up doing with all the hides and stuff? So the

Cowboy Cerrone 7:59
last hides, we just gave away with the the mail we just butchered. I'm getting a full mount out of him. Okay, huge. Yeah, massive. So I'm getting a full, full amount out of that one. What is, what does that cost? I have no idea. I The guy said it about a year and a half. Jesus, so, uh, but price, I'm sure I'll get it when it comes time. I'm not cheap. Nothing's cheap without buffalo or nothing, sheep with elk. You know, like all that, getting it mounted is very expensive. I have no, no idea. So when do you break ground on the butcher shop? Whenever we find time. Right now, first, first step is tearing this house down and building a new one. And then we have to run a bunch of lines down on in the Buffalo pasture. We have a bunch of wells down there. We're going to bring, tie all the wells together and bring them to a better watery system, if you will. Yeah, and then, so that's first on the docket. And then running natural gasses came in here. So we got a trench, a bunch of lines of natural gas, and bring it, get it plumbed in for the new pad. That's like, a year long plus project. Oh yeah, it never stops. Yeah, never, never, never stops. How's the well water up here? Really good. Yeah, clear. Fall down. You got to go. Yeah, we're at, I think we're at four, but we have water at two, something.

Jeremy Perkins 9:06
Okay, so that's crazy. So building a new house is this? Is this your full time residence?

Cowboy Cerrone 9:11
Yeah, it's full time residence for sure. So the wife wants a dream house, so she we've had the plans for a few years now. I mean, just getting around to it, is the tree you gonna GC the whole thing. Oh, yeah, I do it all. Why not? I love it.

Jeremy Perkins 9:24
That'll be crazy. And so you'll, you'll be in framing it and doing all that

Cowboy Cerrone 9:29
stuff yourself. Yeah, I'll have someone complete the pad for sure. And then me and my buddies will, who are as an electrician, will wire the whole thing, frame it. The only part I won't have framed as the pool, like, I'll have someone come pour the pool, right? I know nothing about swimming pool stuff, so I'll have somebody come do the pool in the hot tub. But everything else, yeah, all mine.

Jeremy Perkins 9:49
That's Wow. That's a that's something that I've always had in the back of my head. I don't know if it's a bucket list item or not, but like, you hear the stories of like, oh, this is the house my grandfather built. At some point in my life I want to. Build, or be part of building my house, that my kids will say that I don't know, I'll be dead and gone by that time.

Cowboy Cerrone 10:05
But, well, every building on this property we've built that's crazy, everything so from the house we're in now, yeah, yeah, every, every shop, every building, every everything we've we've done it all. What's the style the house gonna be? Like an Arizona house, I got the rock and stucco and, like, a Mexican style, yeah, yeah, single story, yeah. Is that all that's out here? No. I mean, not, not for any reason. I had a poll when I built the two stories online, I'd like go to the state and argue, why? Yeah, yeah. They're like, we don't do two stories. You only have 20 something feet tall. And I'm like, why? And they're like, ah, people's views. I'm like, view of what,

Jeremy Perkins 10:40
yeah, we just drew of what. We just drove route 40 from from Phoenix, all the way out here. And it was like, oh, without to be a little scenic, there's nothing. Well, if you

Cowboy Cerrone 10:49
would have went the back way, you could have gone through the mountain. It's cool. It's a little like an extra hour drive, but it's a cooler drive, yeah,

Jeremy Perkins 10:55
yeah. I mean, the coolest thing we saw was a, was a the power plant out there. Shout out to my buddy Hank. To you out there? Yeah, yeah, yep. One saw Hank, Hank Robinson and his engraving shop, dude. It was wild just walking through all the stuff that he does, how

Cowboy Cerrone 11:10
he just freehand, like, just go on a rim and be like, yeah, oh man, I'd mess up. I'd mess up bad, yeah.

Jeremy Perkins 11:16
That's, that's what I said to him. I was like, and the wild part about him too is like, he's never tattooed. He's never held the tattoo gun and tattooed. And I'm like, yeah, so you got an automotive shop out here. You got, you know, a basic shop out here, but automotive wise, like, what are you getting into nowadays with racing?

Cowboy Cerrone 11:33
And so we just, man, every time, for anyone who got that has known anything about racing, every time you race, you strip the cars down basically to the stock frame and rebuild them every single race. Yeah. Why? Sure. It seems a little overkill, but it would suck to drive all the way out to California or Vegas, wherever the race may be, and lose the race because of a 25 cent bolt. Right? Yep. So we're replacing it. You go through unusual place. It's just part of the prep of the race. So we're constantly rebuilding. And after every race,

Jeremy Perkins 12:04
I mean, you put them, you put them through hell. And yeah, I mean, there's things that you can't see, microscopic freaking stress fractures and stuff. And again, you don't want to be stranded out in the desert. But what's the next race you're gonna be a part of?

Cowboy Cerrone 12:15
We're going Nora 1000 1300 miles from Ensenada, Mexico, to accomplish and Lucas. Have you ever done it before? Well, I've run the Baja 1000 but never the never Nora, nor is the first. So Nora is a rally style race. And what I mean by rally, so point to point, you're racing like the Baja 1000 you start, and then 40 hours later you end. Nora is broken, more of a rally play. So it's like, we'll do like 300 miles a day, but you'll do what are called specials, and you'll do like 100 mile special, and then you'll have an hour to get from point A to the start of the next special, yeah, which is like a highway or roads. Then you start the next special, and your time starts again, yeah. Then Then you start the next special, and it starts again. Then everyone stops, and you drink beer, and you hang out, and you hang out in Mexico for that, and the next morning, you get up and do it again. So it's six or seven days going down from point to point on the Baja Peninsula and in like sections, so more of a rally style. And then you start, of course, where you were, where you just left off, right?

Jeremy Perkins 13:12
So is that a single driver, or you guys

Cowboy Cerrone 13:15
team of us going down there? Yeah, we'll just play and have a good time.

Jeremy Perkins 13:19
Yeah, that's crazy. What got you into that sport?

Cowboy Cerrone 13:23
Man, I got a call asking to drive the mint 400 and I went, and we took second off the couch. Had no idea we were doing, and then I just it, just, I fell in love. Yeah, dude, the off road racing, to me, is so

Jeremy Perkins 13:34
fun. Yeah. So how much time does it take to maintain all these cars and deal with all that?

Cowboy Cerrone 13:40
Hours and hours and hours, because we have like, five or six race cars, yeah, so constantly fixing and keeping up on them all. Yeah, that's wild. That's wild. You got this boys camp, then the kids camp, yeah, we are going to do this year. I need to actually get on that. So this is what your third or fourth year? I think this we are, yeah, fifth year. Fifth year for Yeah, I have no idea, dude, you lose time flies, yeah. And last year we had to cancel it and like things. So I it sucks, but yeah, this year we are, I need to get going on it, because Dustin and Dale have both called me, like, what are the days like? I know I

Jeremy Perkins 14:13
need, yeah, yeah. So walk it through that. Because, you know, I've, I've heard from you, and it's one of the coolest camps around. But we

Cowboy Cerrone 14:21
do seven days Sunday to Sunday. Parents drop your kids off on Sunday, then they come pick them up the following Sunday, and we just bring the best of the areas like which can AM, drops off a bunch of cars for the kids to drive and learn as we bring three or four of the top drivers in in the off road community out, and they teach these kids how to two feet break, how to drive, how to set up corners, how to set the car up in addition to the driving, yeah, we teach kids how to change a tire, how to change your oil, how to work on common things, on vehicles that could happen on a day to day. Thing I explained to these young boys and girls, but the girls, not so much. Girls, I can get out and change your tire. I mean, if you got I just tell them, Look, you guys are 1617, years old, and you're on a. Date and you get a tire. Imagine calling another man to come change your tire. But that's your last date with the girl, right? So I explained that to him, and same thing as a girl. Could you imagine being a girl and your boyfriend throws his hands trying to call triple A and you step out and you change the tire? Yeah, your daddy can let you date that dude anymore. So it's just the life skills, which is and then we go into shooting, and we have professional bow hunters come out and explain the safety and how to draw the length on the bow, and just same thing with firearm safety go through all we have Daniel Horner and Lena mutnich Come out and they work with these kids and teach them fire safety and how to gun discipline, right? And then we have shooting competitions, and we have AX throwing competitions, and we have archery competitions, and we have every single day, every day is not only are they learning, but they're getting competitive about it. So yeah, there's not any participation trophies going on here. So we and then we have Neil from Hawaii. He comes out and is a camera master play Smith, teaches the kids how to, how to blacksmith and forge? Yeah, Forge is the word, yeah. Of course. They all last year, they made hatchets. Year, two years ago, they made, like, throwing hatches. Then we then they throw them at the at the competition again, and they get judged on how all that goes through every morning we're in here doing either jujitsu, striking or wrestling, yeah? And that goes to noon. And then from noon, we go out, we teach a teach a skill set, whether it be the the car stuff or the the gun stuff, or we have what's Laura's or, Oh yeah, roping Dale, teaching and horse riding. Laura Zara, she's Naked and Afraid, she comes and teaches the kids like survival, how to start a fire, what berries to eat, what berries not eat? What you can do to stay warm, how to properly dig a hole and sleep like all these survival skills that you think you'd learn and that you can cram into a two day course. But it's, it's, it's pretty mind blowing for these kids.

Jeremy Perkins 16:55
Man, well, it's, and it's kind of interesting, because, like, you know, I did the Boy Scouts growing up, and we were out there 22 shoot and learn all this, and it's gone by the wayside. And I'm not saying the Boy Scouts is the organization to be in, but that i There's

Cowboy Cerrone 17:08
no longer boy scouts that is like scouts now, yeah, I don't know what's going on here,

Jeremy Perkins 17:15
but to that point, I mean, a lot of these things that you know, if you talk about it, it's taboo, from firearm safety to whatever. But what, what people miss out is the fact that we're teaching them respect right, respect for the weapon, respect for the axes, the knives. I mean, I have a curious boy, eight years old, a pocket knife. The kid wants to play with it, and you want to teach them the safest way to do it. You want to teach them the safest way to do a fire, all the risks, everything that's, you know. So I think, you know, knowledge is key here and and obviously, respect for for what you're

Cowboy Cerrone 17:49
doing. You know, it's cool people, you think it's going back to Kids Camp, but you think, like teaching all these kids, there's a lot of behind the scenes that people don't know that are placed, like, yeah, right. We're not just, like, here's some guns, right? Yeah, it's nothing like that. We have, there's literally 100 people on staff here when we have kids camp, again, is insane. Yeah, right. We have one at all for every two and a half kids. Like, there's, no, they're not just out there crashing four wheelers and no, you got

Jeremy Perkins 18:16
to teach them safety, gun nomenclature, everything before they even pick up

Cowboy Cerrone 18:19
the the only thing I don't care that they do is they can stay up as late as they want. I let them know eight in the morning we're in here training. So if you're up till four in the morning, that's on you and your whole day and your team is going to be affected by your lackluster attitude. So the first night they stay up. Second night they They start. They have no energy by the time we want we run them raw. So, yeah, they they get worn out, and it's cool.

Jeremy Perkins 18:45
Well, it's teaching them self regulation too. I'm sure, you know, give them, give them enough. What does it? Give them enough rope to hang themselves, and some do.

Cowboy Cerrone 18:52
Some do. I'm sure we've only had to ever send two people home over the five years. Wow, we're gonna have it send two people home. But other than that,

Jeremy Perkins 19:00
so back to the tire thing. You had a kid reach out to you, what a couple years after, or whatever, talking about him changing the tire on his mom's car.

Cowboy Cerrone 19:09
Yeah, yeah, we did. It was really cool. His mom texted me like you wouldn't, but it was actually his girlfriend, the kids girlfriends car, yeah, and he he went out and took care of it, changed the tire on his girlfriend's car. The girlfriend's dad was, like, blown away. And even the kid's mom was like, it's cool. It's cool to have it, have it come around full

Jeremy Perkins 19:27
circle. So are you gonna still keep it tight? How many kids you 4040? And are you thinking of blowing it out

Cowboy Cerrone 19:32
at any point? I like, more. Yeah, cool, bro. It's so expensive, like, it cost me 60,000 of my own money every year to like, to like, push. Just imagine feeding 100 plus people three meals a day. Let's just talk about food.

Jeremy Perkins 19:44
And they're in there, like, mid teens,

Cowboy Cerrone 19:46
right? Yeah, the year the age is 14 to 16. Yeah, is the age female or male? Don't care, either way. And what does this state you bring out? Intense? Yeah? Living dance. They live in the girls, we put the girls 10 over here by. Bathrooms that boys get way back over there, kind of where we're because, if you don't, so here's the rule we have, there's a male and a female counselor, yeah, that sleeps in the boys tents, and a male and a female that sleep in the females tents, right? Only because I want both sides of the story. I don't care, like if something happens. I want the female counselor and a male counselor. Oh, hey, she didn't happen, right? Yeah. So that's how that side of it goes. But the females are allowed to do anything they want, go anywhere they want. So if the girls want to go into the boys tent, I don't care. Let me find you little cocktails up here in the girls tent. Though you're out here, don't, don't do that. Don't be peeping in the showers. But the girls, if the girls want to come to you and talk, that's fine. I have no problem with that. I said so I tell all the kids the first day, listen, if you have the hots for girl, you got to keep that to yourself. Yeah, I don't want, I don't want these girls coming to say you're bothering them. You're coming at them if they want to talk to you, and you guys want to change number to figure that out, because you guys are of that age, that is okay raising. Gentlemen, that's it. But if the female wants to do right on other than that, y'all, y'all, just keep your head down and keep moving. You're in movies as well. Yeah? Trying, trying to, trying to take on Hollywood,

Jeremy Perkins 21:10
yeah, yeah. So you were, I think the last time we talked, you just come back from what the

Cowboy Cerrone 21:14
Philippines, yeah, that movie just came out with Scott Atkins. Yeah, that just came out five, two years later. Yeah, that's just how long it takes. What's the name of the movie, prisoner of war? Oh, there you go. They changed the name, yeah, prisoner of war.

Jeremy Perkins 21:25
So, so what was the whole plot and everything there?

Cowboy Cerrone 21:28
This is the Japanese side of it. And the Philippines had a when we took over, the Americans took tried to help out and save the Philippines from Japan, trying to use it as a base to harbor all their boats, and almost like a midway point, yeah, we they put all these camps there, because that's where the Philippines, they'd put these Philippines and American prisoners of war into the camps. And there's the death march. Is like a real thing. They took all of the Philippines in the marriage and made them march 100, hundreds of miles. I think it's like 100 and wish I knew the correct numbers, like 140 or 100 to be executed or, yeah. I mean, they didn't. Most of them didn't make it look that up and tell you what death march was, producer Mac, but it's pretty cool, because as you go through the Philippines, they have every mile, they have these huge pillars, like mile 89 mile 99 of the of the actual death march. I don't know if they're taking we executed. We didn't I didn't get I should have looked into that. But there was, you were so weak and so malnour churched and just those people didn't

Jeremy Perkins 22:30
make the march anyways. Yeah, it was, I forget how it came up in conversation, but when we were in school, like, flip to the to the US side, Yeah, you heard about Japanese internment camps, remember that? Yeah, that's crazy. I wonder if that's even taught anymore, the fact that, like, we imprison Japanese people and,

Speaker 1 22:49
yeah, yeah, Pearl Harbor and go w is that we had that was wild.

Cowboy Cerrone 22:55
How long is it to say?

Speaker 2 22:56
I'm looking right now the Bataan Death March, Yep, yeah, 78,000

Unknown Speaker 23:03
American and Filipino,

Cowboy Cerrone 23:05
yep. How

Unknown Speaker 23:07
far it load right now.

Jeremy Perkins 23:09
What So, what was your What was your role

Cowboy Cerrone 23:12
in the movie? I was a captain, okay, yeah, and Scott Atkins comes to the camp and we escape basically,

Jeremy Perkins 23:22
yeah, so just based

Cowboy Cerrone 23:24
on a true story or, yeah, yeah, it actually is. And we got to make a plan to get out and diversions and yada yada yada and try and escape

Jeremy Perkins 23:34
That's wild. I mean, you I grew up a, you know, Veterans Day, Memorial Day, we had whatever cables, like 20 channels. So Veterans Day and Memorial Day, me and my next door neighbor used to sit at his house and watch like, you know, Hamburger Hill war movies. What was it? The greatest

Cowboy Cerrone 23:53
gay Bridge over the River Kwai? It's a lot like the greatest game, except a lot more scan. Scott Atkins is a, like a martial artist, so there's a lot more fighting. Yeah, involved, but

Jeremy Perkins 24:02
it was, but put yourself in that situation. I mean, imagine escaping a camp in the Philippines and then going, what's next? It was 65 miles. How's your five kilometers? Oh, come

Cowboy Cerrone 24:14
on, maybe they're kilometer markers out there. Then, good old, what did they take them to execute?

Jeremy Perkins 24:21
Yeah, yes, got it. Jesus, that's brutal. I mean, even looking at, like in Vietnam to, like, all the fcking booby traps and stuff they had, it was torture. Dude, absolutely in

Cowboy Cerrone 24:32
here, just in the, like, the prisoner of war camp we were filming in, yeah, pro, like, just filming, it was no joke. You know,

Speaker 3 24:40
20,000 people died, just oh for sure, point A to point B, and then they killed off a bunch of people when they got there.

Jeremy Perkins 24:47
Dude, imagine making it and then just getting killed. Holy, so Wow. I mean, that's, yeah, that's something. But what's next on the hopper? Are you

Cowboy Cerrone 24:56
nothing right now, the movies have kind of slowed down. Uh, they'll pick back up right now. I mean, just It's crazy, if you're not making a Marvel movie or, I mean, actually took my kids to the movie theater the other day to see Minecraft.

Jeremy Perkins 25:09
Yes, same thing, yes, yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was It wasn't bad.

Cowboy Cerrone 25:13
It was good. And I don't know anything about Minecraft, so I kept asking my kid, like, what is that? What is it? What is it? And he'd be like, Oh, that's, yeah, yeah. It was pretty cool. It was funny, like, adult the I was like, Okay, I wasn't, like, our kids movie is actually really good. That was the only movie I haven't fallen asleep. Blown it blew the records away, yeah? So, like, now maybe, hopefully movies will make a comeback.

Jeremy Perkins 25:36
Yeah. It was, you know, it my wife was sitting next to me, and then so my son's really into it. And she goes to Luke, she goes, so am I gonna actually learn what the you're talking about every day? I know you're just as lost, yeah. But what was pretty cool is, is, like, actually, after that, I started asking them, like, Hey, let me see your minecraft world. I like, I never had any interest into it. I thought they were around. But then my daughter and my son came up with their iPads and showed me the worlds they made. And I was like, I don't know there's something to this. Like, I know you're building on on, you know, a device, but like, they were literally, like, laying out plans for architecture. I mean, my daughter has this basement that has livestock, food and all this stuff. And I was like, you built this? This wasn't a setup where she's like, I built this, and I was like, wow, it's pretty crazy to be creative in a digital world. You know,

Speaker 3 26:26
yeah, lot of kids become like, yeah, that are good at Minecraft. Become like, engineers, yeah,

Jeremy Perkins 26:31
yeah. So what else you getting your

Cowboy Cerrone 26:34
hands into? Anything else, man, we pretty much hit it, racing Kids Camp. That's the lake. Yeah? A lot of playing in the lake. This time, my kids are big into surfing, so they love it. Yeah, and yeah, man, just, just summertime, loving it. One of

Jeremy Perkins 26:47
the things that you said the last time we were here was you fight for the blue collar man, and you carry that mentality. But what is that mentality for people who aren't blue collar or or don't understand the trades or fighting or whatever.

Cowboy Cerrone 27:01
Well, it's worth ethic. Yeah, that's all it is to me. Like, blue collar worth ethic. Like, get up rain, sleet, snow, no matter the day, and go to work and work for your family and come home with money. Like, that's the worth ethic. And I learned that young. We just work hard, like I when here at the ranch, working like me and my buddies, we outwork everybody. This is how it goes. You just learn a great, there's no, oh, I need to do this. Oh, I can't do this. You just go in there and get done. And that traveled over into my fighting career, you know, just like training when you don't want to train, yeah? And go get the work done. And just, and just taking the fights after fight after fighting, just doing what, what you don't want to do, because the bigger goal,

Jeremy Perkins 27:41
yeah, so putting money on or putting food on the table, providing

Cowboy Cerrone 27:44
same food, Yeah, same deal, right? Yeah, same me.

Jeremy Perkins 27:48
David gravy, so what was, uh, what was one of your best fights, or most memorable for you?

Cowboy Cerrone 27:52
Probably razor Rob McClellan, we fought for the belt back on we see it just he came to fight, and it was one of my favorite fights, because he we threw down,

Jeremy Perkins 27:59
yeah, it was fun. And then, obviously, for people that follow the UFC, it was way different back then. But was it, was it more enjoyable back then than it is now? Or, I mean, there's a lot of grappling, there's a lot of technique, there's but back then you came in, what with one style,

Cowboy Cerrone 28:15
like you were a brawler, you were in karate or whatever. But you know, what else back then? I think you fought to fight rather than trying to fight to keep your job. Yeah, right. Like, there's a lot of people now in the UFC, like, they won't take fights with certain people because they're worried if a loss will get them kicked out of the UFC. Like, man, I just fought everybody. I didn't care who. I didn't care if I was on losing streak or winning streak. Like, let's, do you want to fight?

Jeremy Perkins 28:38
Come on, let's go. That's crazy. So what was back then, what was the hardest discipline to fight against? Now, you're a stand up guy or you were

Cowboy Cerrone 28:47
a stand up weren't good against ground guys, yeah, so and vice versa, so, but I was good either way. It didn't matter to me. I had a really good ground game, great kick boxer. So just, just trying to get the wrestling down, that was the hardest part. Yeah, the bridge the gap, you know,

Jeremy Perkins 29:01
where'd you actually, that? I never touched on that. Where'd you get your start in fighting,

Cowboy Cerrone 29:06
um, best friend of mine was kickboxing, and he goes, you want to come down and try this? How old were you? Well, I took my first fight two weeks after I started training, and I wasn't 21 yet. So I, I remember being having a fake idea in New York. That was my fight. Was New York City. I remember having a fake ID in New York. So, yeah, I was 20 years old, and that was, what was that like, a local fight? Or was that, yeah? I mean, like, it was just a kickboxing fight, yeah, at the Church Street. Is that at a at a church? So two weeks into training, you took your first fight, yeah, I don't even know it was training I got, just went in there spar and loved. It was like, what? How do I get a fight? Like, man, actually, they're looking for a guy in New York. Yeah, I was like, Sign me up. Let's go.

Jeremy Perkins 29:47
And then you won that fight. I won that fight. And then what was the progression

Cowboy Cerrone 29:51
from there? Then I just started fight. Then I would just be the guy they would call on, a last minute replacement like that to go and fight. Now, work. Uh. Rail of a job and train Tuesdays and Thursdays. And those are two days we would go down there and train. I'd go train and

Jeremy Perkins 30:07
just fight. And you don't see that nowadays,

Cowboy Cerrone 30:10
hell no, they're the days of being actual fighters are gone, you know, like, I don't, I don't believe there's too many guys like me left in the game. Now, it's a lot of athletes that are trying to become fighters. But you see it, the athletes awesome. When you're a hammer, you're people up. That's good, yeah, right. Like, as soon as the tides turn, though, and they become the nail a little bit, yeah, you see the quitting them, yeah? And they don't, they don't have

Jeremy Perkins 30:33
so that blue collar mentality kind of made you, you know, I guess, evolve with the game.

Cowboy Cerrone 30:38
And, yeah, I, I'd have to say that. I mean, I just, I also think it's just in me, yeah, right. Like, you're kind of just born like that, like, to be a hard worker, yeah? Like, you know, I don't think you can, like, unless you raise them your kids and show them young. But even, like, one of my kids was gonna be hard worker, the other one is gonna find somebody else to do work for him. Like, I can just tell how they how they grow up, you know. But so it's either in you or it's not. It's one of those things. Same thing with fighting, like, either have it or you don't know, there's, like, Ah, maybe he's a good fighter. Like, Nah, either is or isn't the boy scrap. Yeah, they do. They're in jujitsu, and they

Jeremy Perkins 31:12
love it. I think anyone, any one of them promising at this point, or I don't know if I'll

Cowboy Cerrone 31:17
let them fight. I'd rather them go race. Seriously. Yeah, yeah. I don't want them having brain damage, like Dad. Well, we held a pretty

Jeremy Perkins 31:23
good conversation. So, yeah, so, well, thanks for having us down to the ranch again. Anything you want to throw out,

Cowboy Cerrone 31:31
man? I mean, other than shit, just keep tagging along. Enjoy the journey. Yeah, fun. You know, blue collar boys are there. Keep going. And where is John bison jerky at, by the way. Well, that's and we're an in between process without getting into the maverick gas station so and all subs. But it's a, it's crazy how long it takes to dot the T's. Yeah, right. So more to come on there, to come on that. All right. Well, thank you. Of course. You.