The Good Boss & OG Dave

Eric Girouard  0:00  

This is Bucket Talk a weekly podcast for people who work in the trades and construction that aren't just trying to survive but have the ambition and desire to thrive. The opportunity to trade and construction is absolutely ridiculous right now. So if you're hungry, it's time to eat. We discussed what it takes to rise from the bottom to the top with people who are well on their way and roll up their sleeves every single day.

Jeremy Perkins  0:30  

This is Jeremy and Eric here with Bucket Talk powered by BRUNT. This week's episode we have Victor of VCO Landscaping also goes by the Instagram handle @thegoodbossofficial but before we jump in, Eric, what's been going on?

Eric Girouard  0:42  

All right, so things have been hectic at work, and finally took some time to do some stuff personally so so not all that common but it all kind of circles back to the business and BRUNT, um, took a day off to move my family into our new home, which was a big undertaking. And coincidentally, my buddy Dan Bolduc came up to help me who the Bolduc boot is named after and got to spend a day with him. And we got the job done and back in action and everyone's stable. And so yeah,

Jeremy Perkins  1:13  

speaking of Bolduc I just got my dad his first pair of Bolducs. So my parents moved in with us to the farm. We needed a little help. We kind of got a little we got two little businesses. One is the stable with the horses on one side. And then we have a little micro farm which my dad is like super stoked to, to deal with the goats, the chickens, everything I need help with the kids. And so it's been nice to have my mom up there and it's now becoming a family affair. But yeah, he needed some shit kickers and we got him some Bolducs.

Eric Girouard  1:43  

All right, let's dig in.

Jeremy Perkins  1:47  

Today, we're here with Victor Oliveira. Victor goes by the name @thegoodbossofficial on Instagram. Victor brought along Dave, I'll let Victor do the introductions for Dave.

Victor Oliveira  1:56  

Hello. I'm Victor. Also known as The Good Boss. And right next to me is Dave. I guess I'll call him Daddy Dave. 

OG Dave  2:05  

No sugar with that. But uh, Dave OG. 

Victor Oliveira  2:09  

OG, the real OG Mason.

Eric Girouard  2:11  

All right. All right.

Victor Oliveira  2:12  

I learned everything from him and his son. So

OG Dave  2:15  

You still got to finish school a little bit

Victor Oliveira  2:17  

That's right. And yeah, I guess we can get into that schooling stuff, too.

Jeremy Perkins  2:21  

Yeah. So Victor, you're a landscaper by trade and you own your own company. How did you get your start?

Victor Oliveira  2:26  

So while I guess, I dropped out of high school. School wasn't for me at all. Yeah. And I worked for a landscaper worked for my uncle. And I said to myself, why not just start my own company, and ended up buying a truck off my uncle for like 700 bucks, but I had to work it off. So once I got the truck, I had it painted. And I just went out and said, I'm gonna start a company. I guess the first thing I did was I made business cards at like a local FedEx Kinkos. Yeah. And there was a lady in there when I was picking them up. And she's like, Oh, wow, those look nice. Can I have one? And that was my first account. So yeah, you know, it all started there. 

Eric Girouard  3:07  

So highschool so what were you 16, 17, 18 at the time? 

Victor Oliveira  3:11  

So I dropped out in 10th grade. 

Eric Girouard  3:12  

Yeah, yeah. 

Victor Oliveira  3:13  

I just I couldn't go to school. I woke up, you know, late, rolled in late. Sometimes I wanted to get Burger King for breakfast. And I just when I got to school, I was probably there for three, four hours and I left. I just I didn't like it. Yeah, it wasn't for me at all.

Eric Girouard  3:30  

Yeah. And you grew up in the Boston area 

Victor Oliveira  3:32  

Saugas. 

Eric Girouard  3:32  

Okay nice nice. Basically, you threw yourself into it got this truck. How did you get to kind of where you are? Maybe Dave comes into that picture. At some point. It sounds like yeah

Victor Oliveira  3:41  

he came in a little later. So I started my business. Trying to think it was so long ago. I mean, I had probably, I kept on passing the cards out word of mouth. You know, family and friends. Started off by doing you know, some family and friends houses. Yeah, yep. I had like seven accounts by the end of the year. It was great. I woke up at nine o'clock. 10 o'clock did three houses and and then you know, got home. I made 200 bucks. It was great. Yeah, just cots just cuts. Yeah, yeah. And then I got into cleanups mulching, and then I was still young and dumb. I made stupid decisions. I got caught doing something stupid. And I ended up going away for it. Yeah, but that made me turn my life around. I came out I had to restart my business back up. And I mean, I guess to anyone that wants to start a business. You know, don't be scared. You know, even if you have a background or whatever, you could do it. You know, you don't need schooling.

Jeremy Perkins  4:41  

One of the biggest questions and one of the biggest hurdles that people have is you go from under the table is like the worst word to use. But a lot of people they go out there they do the cuts, and they don't have the business. They haven't established the LLC, the the incorporated or what have you. How did you end up going about doing that?

Victor Oliveira  4:59  

So everything was cash or check to my name. Yeah. Then eventually, you know, I was doing research like, what do I have to do? Right? Someone told me to go to the town where I'm from, and get it was like a certificate of business or something like that. So I did that. That was simple. It was like 35 bucks. And then I went and opened up a bank account. Just it was a DBA. Yeah, you know, I had the name of my business, it was on the business card. Yeah, it was pretty simple.

Jeremy Perkins  5:27  

Yeah, I think that's the biggest hurdle for a lot of people is like, how do I go legit? How do I take it to the next level

Victor Oliveira  5:31  

Correct, and honestly, the easiest way to do it, it's just just do it. You know, like, just don't think about it, just ask questions ask people, you know, just keep going. Don't let something so simple, you know, shut you down. Yeah, you know, just find a way around it. If you can't get through that wall, just find a way around it.

Eric Girouard  5:50  

So interesting. So you really actually started your business almost twice. You started it the first time, then you restarted it when you came out? And was there anything like the second time around were you like, Oh, I know, this is gonna be easier, faster, or finance or like, you know, like any of that stuff?

Victor Oliveira  6:04  

Yeah, it was definitely easier. Because like, you know, I already knew I had a truck, you know, that. I didn't let go. Yeah, yep. And I had all the resources, you know, that I learned from? If I failed doing anything, then you know, I learned from that, and then I was just even stronger when I came out. Yeah, most people don't come out strong. Right. Right. Right. They go back and do the same thing. Yeah. But I said, No, I mean, I have a great family. Yeah.

Jeremy Perkins  6:29  

Awesome. So and you learned a lot of the stuff on the job or you mentor.

Victor Oliveira  6:34  

So on the job.

OG Dave  6:35  

Well, you actually started with 

Victor Oliveira  6:35  

I started with Sean, his son. Okay. Yeah. We took on a big job it was our first job. And it came out pretty good. Yeah. Good. He came and helped us what was the job? It was we had to do a bunch of paver walkways patio steps going down. And it was so big. We were like, Oh, my God, I can't be we've even got this. We did it. But then we had a call David to help us out. He's got too many years experience. 

OG Dave  7:04  

42 

Victor Oliveira  7:05  

God,

Jeremy Perkins  7:06  

That's usually one of the biggest things too. A lot of these guys get surprised because they bid a job and they find out they didn't bid it properly. And this might not have been the case but they bid my brother in law's a contractor. He did this on his first state job. He under bid and guys like, What do you mean? He goes, No, this is what I'm gonna charge. He goes, everybody else is up here. The guy down. Yeah, like, of course, we're gonna so he ended up getting these massive jobs. Like, I don't know what to do with these, you know? Yeah, I'm not prepared for this. And baptism by fire. Yeah. That was,

Eric Girouard  7:36  

you know, when I was 14, I started. Same thing doing my neighbor's yard. And then my mom was driving me around. And that's how I started my landscaping business when I was a teenager. But you had one. Yeah, I had a small Yeah, my buddies that a lot of the Boots are named after came and worked for me. Because they could drive I couldn't drive it. Yeah. So I'd get these jobs, I was you know, 14 - 15. And they'd be like, you know, and I was gonna take advantage of they're like, we'll pay you $1,000 to get all this rock, lay this rock. And that's incredible. Then, you know, two weeks later, you know, my mom's like, you know, that's incredible. Then you calculate the hours and you know, that we put in it was like, I worked for like two bucks an hour. But I'm like, No, but I mean, without, you know, 1000 No, you're not thinking about it. Like, you know, and then that's when like, I started realized, there's a different way to do this. This came that yeah, I was a cheap labor in the neighborhood.

Jeremy Perkins  8:24  

Don't learn you don't learn unless you've been burned. Or you, you know, lose your shirt on a job. I mean, that's when you come out better stronger. I mean,

Victor Oliveira  8:33  

You're exactly right. 

OG Dave  8:34  

We're running a job in Maine now. And I just said to the guys the other day, I would do this for free, because I enjoy it so much. Yeah, that's after 42 years. I'd still do it for free. 

Victor Oliveira  8:47  

Yeah, sometimes you're better off doing it for free. So you don't have to listen to the complaint. 

OG Dave  8:52  

That way, if you don't make any money, don't feel bad, right? 

Victor Oliveira  8:55  

Yeah, that's true. 

Eric Girouard  8:56  

All right. So your son Dave, son, Shawn, and you've got that big job. Yeah, he jumped in to help you guys and that's how you guys started.

OG Dave  9:05  

Shawn actually worked with me. We did a lot of work at colleges. He got to see like the commercial aspect of this here and they were doing well they were doing good. They just needed a little extra hands on deck. You guys did good. Thank you. Victor. Just says taken it and gone along.

Victor Oliveira  9:26  

I guess you could say that gone along.

Jeremy Perkins  9:29  

Well you say that he's grown it Yeah, you said that too. Now hands on deck. How do you guys don't want labor?

Victor Oliveira  9:35  

So I guess we have our you know we keep our circle tight. Yeah, you know as you guys see on tick tock you know, I'm the good boss I take care of my guys that's yeah, that's why they stay if you don't take care of your your help they're gonna leave.

Jeremy Perkins  9:49  

Yeah, we see that a lot with with certain companies. You know, I've been to a few myself in the trades and, you know, we see guys come and go chasing the dollar going to the next place you You know, this one's got better benefits this one's got, I liked seeing what you got going on there. You take care of your guys pretty well, it makes them

Victor Oliveira  10:06  

want to stay, you know, you give them an incentive. You know, if you're doing a big job a $10,000 job, and you know the guys do good and they get it done, you know earlier than expected. Give him 300 Give him 500 bucks each, you know, yeah, it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna benefit you in them. Yesterday,

Jeremy Perkins  10:28  

No, it's true. Because there's, you know, there's overachievers in the blue collar world. But on the other side, you how many times have you heard a guy that says, like, hey, let's make this out, hey, take your time, like, relax. We're not gonna bust our back for this. And to some degree, it's true, because it doesn't matter how long they take, they're gonna get the same rate or same pay. Yeah, but you know, in our circumstances, yeah. Throw him a couple extra bucks. And of course, and there'll be happy incentivize? Absolutely.

Victor Oliveira  10:55  

Yeah. I mean, there's so many people that will work their own rate. They don't care to work faster to make extra money. That's, yeah, but then you have the people that want to make extra because they have three kids at home to feed. Yeah, they want to enjoy their life. Yep.

Eric Girouard  11:07  

Yeah. And so give us a kind of a picture of the business now is it all things landscape from, you know, cutting and hardscaping what he kind of guys focus on now.

Victor Oliveira  11:18  

So now I'm trying to focus on the hardscaping. Yeah, masonry hardscaping. I started out with all general landscaping, cutting grass. There's, I mean, I don't know how to say this. But there's not that much money in cutting grass. Unless you have everything close to each other. Yeah. And that's really all you do. You do that mulch, but then you start expanding. It's just like, you have to have different divisions. You know, you can keep the lawn but you need to separate, like a manager to just kind of manage that division, then you can do your masonry have another manager for them. Yeah. But it's hard right now to grow. You know, because you cannot find the help. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, the help that I have now, I'm just unlucky. I'd love to have more, but I can't, you can't find them.

Jeremy Perkins  12:03  

So is that the natural progression for landscapers to go from cutting cleanups, snow plow, you know, different parts of the country? And then to move to hardscaping. And

Victor Oliveira  12:14  

yeah, a lot of landscapers do that they start off just cutting grass, and then they make their way up, because they see it's more money. Yeah. And you can see the outcome. You know how nice it looks when you do a stone wall or a paver patio. You know, it's nice, it makes you feel good. Yeah, customers happy and it's good money. Yeah.

Eric Girouard  12:30  

A guy when I was younger that I bumped into him. He was running his landscaping business. Give me some advice. He says, cutting the grass, keeps the lights on, pays the bills, but you got to do other stuff. Right? You have some

Victor Oliveira  12:41  

branch off? Yep. Yeah, me. I'll do Basement Waterproofing French drains. Yep. Fencing now, you know, um, I'll expand

Jeremy Perkins  12:49  

Yeah, we had a guy that was wanted to get into landscape lighting and, you know, gold's good money in that. Yeah, he was saying he's gonna be electrician go back to Atlanta and that that's really all he wanted to do was like firepits and landscape lighting right? Yes. Out to the firepits and do landscape plan

Eric Girouard  13:04  

and the people that want landscape lighting are usually nice houses. Yeah.

Victor Oliveira  13:14  

You probably get a couple of dead right now.

Jeremy Perkins  13:17  

A lot more random over.

Eric Girouard  13:19  

They take batters in there. So

Jeremy Perkins  13:24  

no, that's that's that's good stuff. So how's the learning process for that? I mean, because it's a fine line between hardscaping and then being a Mason. I know that some people do. You know stone walls brick, like all sorts of stuff. Like it's not just like paver patio. Like you're getting like, I had a landscaper that was helping me with my foundation. He had a really good stonemason. We had a flagstone Foundation. And he came over and filled in the windows, and it matched perfectly, you know, it looked great. So is there a whole nother learning curve with that for you?

Victor Oliveira  13:56  

Well, so I'll tell you this. There's two different types of you know, you got your natural stonemason like him. Yeah. And then you got someone like me, you're what do you call it? The New Age pavers or whatever,

OG Dave  14:07  

stick on stone.

Victor Oliveira  14:09  

I wouldn't even call myself a Mason, like a true Mason is you know, he's a definition of it. Yeah. You know, because he grew up working with, you know,

OG Dave  14:18  

all stone would make the stone

Victor Oliveira  14:21  

and make their own stone.

Eric Girouard  14:22  

We did verse UNiLOCK. And already we

OG Dave  14:25  

would split it the pavers,

Victor Oliveira  14:26  

it's a concrete paver with buying it. We just lay it down. Yep. You know, he would get naked.

OG Dave  14:31  

Yeah, take a stone and make a step.

Jeremy Perkins  14:34  

Yeah, we did a podcast with the guys up at Cape Anne and they're still out in the corners.

OG Dave  14:39  

That's where I learned Donna Johnson's quarry. Yeah, yep. Years ago we used to go in and a big excavator rip out of rock the size of your truck. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  14:48  

that's a real work. Sport is it

OG Dave  14:52  

would make four inch finesse six inch veneer. Yeah. Yeah, that was grand Johnson School. Oh, yeah, they're

Jeremy Perkins  15:00  

still doing it up there got seven years old still split and grant it by hand. That's crazy. My

OG Dave  15:05  

guy that taught me is still alive. Yeah. USC wearing a fin. Yeah. As a fin. Yeah. It's still, I don't think he's still doing it. But.

Eric Girouard  15:15  

But it's interesting. We go up there when you see it all around Rockport, and it's beautiful. But down here, I see all the UNiLOCK all that soccer. I catch that. When we went to that house, it almost it's the time to turn like, it took us a minute for them to explain, like how was made to appreciate it because, yeah, we're used to seeing the lighting and the pavers, and all of a sudden, they're like, look at how big this thing we're like, oh, wow, that is actually like insane. And

Jeremy Perkins  15:39  

yeah, I mean, and it's funny. It all depends geographically where you're from, because like, I'm from the western part of Massachusetts, we have brownstone and redstone so like, it's funny because all the buildings, they're not brick. They look brick, because it's the same color. But you know, it all depends on where you're mining rock from to build that house or we're building

Victor Oliveira  15:55  

like all the purple rock from row. Yeah, there's not any more left of that, like cape

OG Dave  16:00  

and granite is like the hottest granite. Yeah, water that went to monuments. went to New York. 165 pounds per cubic foot. That's crazy. Dense.

Unknown Speaker  16:11  

That's very heavy. It's a hard rock out to work with. From the

Eric Girouard  16:15  

outside is precise for my flight. Times are turning a little bit. Right. It seems like there's still the heritage of rock poor and all those but it sounds like those cores will eventually dry up. Although they'll always be there. It's just people will just stop losing the trade.

OG Dave  16:29  

Well, there's only a certain amount of people that could really afford to do these type of things. So yeah,

Jeremy Perkins  16:38  

some of them are close to and they they're opened up specifically for certain restorations and stuff like that. I know.

OG Dave  16:45  

It would be hard getting material for a certain thing the quarry did have to be worth it to open it up. Yeah. So again, not too many people are gonna be spending that kind of money so

Victor Oliveira  16:57  

I used to swim in the quarry is nine. All right, there's

Eric Girouard  16:59  

a jump right off the rocks. Yeah.

Victor Oliveira  17:02  

Not even know like, what the hell they were there for. Now I know. I'm laying stone. I'm like, jumped on this stone.

Jeremy Perkins  17:11  

Well, it's funny, because do you do any reclaim stuff like you go in and

Victor Oliveira  17:15  

not a lot? Yeah. We don't really get asked much. Yeah, but there's a place right in Wakefield. They have all reclaimed granite. Yeah.

Eric Girouard  17:23  

Awesome. All right. So one question we always like to ask, so you got well, you've really been around the block, you've been around? What's the biggest piece of advice you could give yourself when you were 16? Or whatever. And when you were younger? I wish I knew this then because it's like, that's how you run your kind of your business today. Man, that's tough. We'll ask both you guys that. And you first he? He's the old he'll give you a different answer than Yeah.

OG Dave  17:48  

Well, I shouldn't have struck out on my last.

Victor Oliveira  17:52  

I might have to steal one of his sayings. You never gonna get them all. You have to remind me why I can't get them all there was

OG Dave  18:01  

there was a cartoon of a hobo analog stick. And he was all old guy all bent over. And the caption on that he said, got every job we bid.

Victor Oliveira  18:13  

Sometimes it's not worth getting. Pick and choose the jobs. And don't cheat yourself out. If you do good work. You know, put your price on it. If they don't like it, let them get someone else.

OG Dave  18:25  

And I would say just be honest with the people. Yes. Be honest. Because when you try to do funny stuff, bad news travels faster than good. Right. Right. You could do 10 great jobs and one bad job. Yeah, that's gonna travel.

Victor Oliveira  18:39  

Yeah, my biggest thing is, I go above and beyond to make someone happy. You know, if I'm working on the house, I want to make sure they're extremely happy. Even if I have to take money off. Yeah. Because you know, that's how I get more work. Word of mouth is my best and only advertisement. Yeah, yeah. I don't advertise anymore. Yeah, yeah.

OG Dave  18:56  

I haven't had been advertised for over 25 years. Yeah. All

Eric Girouard  19:01  

what am I? Yeah,

Victor Oliveira  19:02  

if you do good work, and you're a reputable person. You're honest. You're gonna get more work? Yeah, yeah. Without advertising. I don't even have any more business cards. I haven't made them in four years. Yeah. Yeah,

Jeremy Perkins  19:13  

it's interesting that customer service aspect of it is and that's kind of the hardest thing for a lot of people to make the jump from being of a very good craftsman, tradesman, whatever you want to call it, to being a business owner is that's all sometimes people will be is really good mechanic or really good electrician, they don't have the customer service or the customer, you know, care to take it to the next level. And then they're kind of set up for failure. You know, at that point in time, you know, you have to cater to the customer, the customer's needs and wants and even if they're wrong, I know that they come out and say the customer's always right. That's not That's not true. But to some degree, you have to, you know, honor what the customer wants and see what they want to do, right?

Victor Oliveira  19:55  

Or if not, then you're the aihole

Jeremy Perkins  19:59  

nutshell If you're worried, you

Eric Girouard  20:01  

get to the same outcome, your job could change from EBIT, and they ask for five things, and then you end up at the end, you're gonna show up with a huge bill. But if you coach them through the whole thing, well, if you want that this is gonna. So that's the key thing. Then at the end, they're like, Okay, we verse, you have one bad outcome in one, okay? I understand where we got to. Same outcome, bad experience and good experience better

Victor Oliveira  20:23  

way to handle it like, yeah, never hit someone at the end, say, Oh, you will be three grand more, because you, you know, you wanted to do this. So we had a difficulty with this. You can't do that.

Jeremy Perkins  20:33  

Yep. It's about the long game. It's never about the quick sale. I mean, the quick sale, yeah, you get three grand, four grand, whatever the outcome is, but you lose a customer. And then you probably wrecked their circle, you want the repetition. And sometimes you have to lose your shirt on the job. My last boss, he ripped up a bill, because you know, he didn't. He said, I respect your opinion, and you're wrong and the situation, but I don't want you to pay. Because I don't want you to say that I charged you. X amount. He ate the entire bill. And I

Victor Oliveira  21:02  

was like, I would have done the same thing. Yeah, that's me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's

Jeremy Perkins  21:05  

like, I don't want you to say that you got charged for whatever you think it is. And there's always going to be people out there like that. Yeah. So all right. So we didn't ask Dave

Eric Girouard  21:15  

yet. Oh, yeah. They tagged me but anything different?

Jeremy Perkins  21:19  

I was talking about the photographer. I know.

OG Dave  21:23  

Detroit Tigers, I'm still available. I just need a designated runner. I would say try to do what you like to do. Yeah, whatever it is. It's cliche, but you after the money that that was thin after a while it does. You know, in the beginning, it's all about the money. But you know, after a certain amount of time, you've got to like what you do, or sell it and move on to something else. But I would just say try to do what you'd like to do. You know,

Victor Oliveira  21:56  

I don't know if I know what I'd like to do yet. That's why I have four things going on.

OG Dave  22:02  

Well, I'm going to be 62 this year, and I'm not sure I know what I want to do. Yeah, I don't think anyone knows they really want to go in and start selling boots. We'll call it cement head.

Victor Oliveira  22:15  

Cement loggers.

Eric Girouard  22:16  

Yeah. All right. So one question we always like to ask. So I clearly you guys are working around the clock thinking about your work all the time. When you're able to unplug, unrelated to the job unrelated to work, all the equipment and all that stuff. What's one thing you guys like to do that has nothing to do with work?

Victor Oliveira  22:35  

So, for me, that's such a hard question to answer. Because I literally never unplug. If I'm done with work. I'm on my phone with tick tock trying to make a video. Yeah, trying to keep that going. Because that's another business for me. Yep. Yep. And then I have my new business. The good box, that monthly subscription box. Yeah. And I just started it. So you know, I'm so deep into it. Yeah. My head all day constantly spins. Yeah. Yeah. Like it hurts. Sometimes. It's, it's crazy. But that's your enjoyment. You correct. I do enjoy it. Yeah. My biggest thing is when I go home to my kids, which I don't really see much, even when I'm home. You know, once I see my girls makes me happy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's good. But I'm still I'm just so wrapped up into work.

OG Dave  23:19  

But have you ever done this? Have you ever started driving to a job? Yeah. And then when you get to the job, you say, Wait, I'm supposed to be over there?

Victor Oliveira  23:27  

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I'm driving. I'm like, where am I going? Yeah. Like, I have to look at my book. You know, I'll forget things sometimes. You know, just because I have so much going on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's not easy, you know. And I'm a regional manager for Wingstop. So that's right. Yeah. So what am I doing? I said it to myself a lot. What am I doing? But it's what I like to do someday I want to be like, extremely successful. Yeah, I'll keep trying, you know, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's the only way you can do it. Yep.

OG Dave  23:57  

Americans, right. Well, I did a couple years ago. Three, he's so laid back. He's so different. I bought a little farm. So we're raising like chickens,

Victor Oliveira  24:10  

eggs. Oh, boy. You got more stuff.

OG Dave  24:15  

We're we're doing a bunch of stuff, but it's my retirement thing. Nice. Not yet but soon in the area and actually in New Hampshire, just over the border. Oh, nice. Southern New Hampshire.

Jeremy Perkins  24:27  

Here I just I packed it all up and brought the kids up to Maine and said screw all this and we decided to start a farm as

Eric Girouard  24:36  

well. With some manure that's why he was it was morning.

Jeremy Perkins  24:41  

It's funny because because my dad Same deal he was he worked for the jail for 2030 years and that wore thin on him and my mom my dad live with me. We're all doing goats and chickens. I was just saying in my first intro last week I I just killed my first chicken and now Oh, that was an interesting experience because I thought it was dead. And I put it down. And if fucking ran away.

OG Dave  25:07  

We do. He's got some stories. We do 50 To 100 to 200 a year. Wow,

Jeremy Perkins  25:14  

I just got layers. I had like five roosters that I had to get rid of four of them. So

OG Dave  25:18  

yeah, that's that's, that's tough sometimes, but we just got rid of like nine. Okay. Sometimes tough, but you gotta pull your

Jeremy Perkins  25:29  

weight. Yeah, we just got into the goat trade now. So we got it. We just got a baby goat, which I don't know. I

Eric Girouard  25:35  

don't I call it the Perkins Zoo. Bunnies. Snakes now. Yeah, we

Jeremy Perkins  25:41  

got 22 horses. Supporting facility. It's a 20 acre property. And mainly we just do horse boarding. But we have like, I guess you call it a micro farm if you're gonna use terms. But yeah, the main business is an equestrian facility. So

OG Dave  25:57  

a micro micro six acres. six

Jeremy Perkins  25:59  

acres. Yeah.

Victor Oliveira  26:00  

Yeah, it's got a nice setup that we'd really Yeah, it's a nice setup. He's good.

Jeremy Perkins  26:04  

That's a good way to go. It's brings you back.

OG Dave  26:07  

It's nice. Yeah, it slows time down. Yeah.

Victor Oliveira  26:10  

And you enjoy it. Yeah. Todd work.

OG Dave  26:12  

But yeah. So it's like laying brick block and rock. Right. That's fun. So

Eric Girouard  26:18  

all right. So we'd like to close this out. So we already talked about some we'll recap it. For folks to find you guys, you're probably going to be easier to find the handles which platforms which businesses, which which are the things that we'll tag, and we'll post and promote and all that stuff.

Victor Oliveira  26:34  

So we got the good boss official on tick tock in Instagram, same. That's hard sometimes. Yeah. And the good box is actually the good subscription box, if you have to type it in that way on Instagram, and Tiktok. What's that? So the good box is I partnered up, became a distributor with ox tools. And I wanted to come up with a box that you can get every month with some cool tools, some merch of mine, and switch it up every month. But now we actually we have, like, I have a shop where I sell all the tools. Not all the tools, but a good amount, whatever I can handle for now, because I had to buy it all up front. So it's doing pretty well. The tape measure is the biggest seller right now because it's the newest thing out. Yeah. But yeah, that's that's the good box. And on Facebook, too. I think it's I have so many things. I think it's just a good box. And then the good boss official, same thing. Yeah. What's the Wingstop? So I mean, I don't have a Wingstop handle. Yeah. I'm just a regional manager of four stores helping out a friend. Yep. Yep. I just oversee

Jeremy Perkins  27:46  

the stores. Yep. And that's a restaurant, right? Yeah. Chicken wings. Yeah, chicken.

Victor Oliveira  27:51  

Yeah, the good chicken wings and fries.

Eric Girouard  27:53  

And then the core business is pretty much through the good boss official. Basically the

Victor Oliveira  27:58  

CEO landscaping that is where everything started. It's my baby.

Eric Girouard  28:02  

Yep. Yeah. All right.

OG Dave  28:05  

I think you should call him a fail masonry. Just call Vic. Just calling back. It's called Victor. And

Victor Oliveira  28:14  

then O'Brien Mason contractors.

OG Dave  28:17  

You'll you'll get? You'll get either or

Victor Oliveira  28:21  

just call me. I'll take it all. And we'll leave him home. We'll leave him at the farm.

Jeremy Perkins  28:26  

The funny farm out to pasture, right? Yeah, not yet. So

Eric Girouard  28:32  

awesome. Thank you guys for taking the time out of your busy days to sit down with us. Yeah, share the stories in the insights. This is good.

Victor Oliveira  28:39  

Yeah. Thanks for having us.