Ben Snure

Eric Girouard  0:00  

This is Bucket Talk, a weekly podcast for people who work in the trades and construction that aren't just trying to survive, but have the ambition and desire to thrive. The opportunity in the trades and construction is absolutely ridiculous right now. So if you're hungry, it's time to eat. We discuss what it takes to rise from the bottom to the top with people who are well on their way and roll up their sleeves every single day.

Jeremy Perkins  0:28  

This is Jeremy and Eric with bucket talk powered by BRUNT today. On this episode, we have Ben Snure, who is a rancher by day, and actually third generation rancher and blacksmith by night, he creates some beautiful hammers, among other things, and we're going to get into him. But before we do that, I want to elaborate on weekend we just had, and it was pretty wild. I want to let Eric take that one away. Awesome,

Eric Girouard  0:57  

awesome. So this past weekend, Jeremy and I actually spent the weekend together, which we don't normally do. And from BRUNT perspective, is our first ever NASCAR sponsorship. And it was great because we got to have the original bucket talk team, the BRUNT team, and a lot of the folks that actually were on the early bucket talk podcast that we never met in person come up and join us. You know, it was a pretty wild weekend. It started midweek, Wednesday, Thursday of the week, where our driver, Mason Massey, who drives for BJ McLeod motorsports, which was going to be driving the BRUNT workwear number 99 car, came up with his agent. Wednesday, we went over to k1 go karts, which wild, wild, which happened to be across the street from the BRUNT garage,

Jeremy Perkins  1:41  

yeah, didn't know Eric was a good go car driver. He freaking beat my ass every every freaking round. It was cool being able to race an ass car driver. So that was that was wild. Then we went back to the garage and grabbed some beers and were able to throw some corn horn

Eric Girouard  1:55  

hole. Yep, yep, cornhole. And then the next night, a lot of the folks that we knew from the early days of Bucha and BRUNT started to fly in or drive up, yeah, and we got to meet them. And it was more casual that night, because night before was a pretty rough one, and Jeremy took a bunch of folks to dinner, yeah,

Jeremy Perkins  2:14  

that was pretty good. You got to finally sit down with some of these faces that I never really got to meet. I knew him through the podcast and through social media and stuff, but it was really nice to have down to earth conversations with them. You know, what's going on with the farm? What's going on in their life? Yeah. I mean, that was pretty cool. And then we woke up, went to the race. Yeah.

Eric Girouard  2:33  

We met at the BRUNT garage that morning. We had a little less than 50 people. We had party busses that brought us up to New Hampshire motor speedway, which is about an hour away, so allowed for a lot of early morning indulging and getting ourselves lubed up for the day.

Jeremy Perkins  2:48  

Dude taking shots at 830 in the morning is, yeah, that's one way to wake up.

Eric Girouard  2:55  

Got it there like 1030 the race wasn't until 330 so we had a BRUNT tailgate that was already set up there out in the normal parking lots that happened at NASCAR. And, you know, a lot of food, a lot of drink, a lot of good conversation. A lot more people met us up there. We probably had another 25 or more folks here, about

Jeremy Perkins  3:12  

a group of 75 folks there. We had a good showing. It was wild. It was a good time. Then our

Eric Girouard  3:16  

driver, Mason Massey, his whole team, the owner of his team, actually came out and gave kind of a speech and a thank you to the whole crowd for coming out. They were blown away with how many people we had, and the rest is history when it went in and got to see the BRUNT workwear car race a little bit before we crashed. Yeah, give

Jeremy Perkins  3:32  

our livers a rest. They didn't allow alcohol in the pits. So that was kind of nice for a little bit

Eric Girouard  3:35  

there. Then we capped off by taking the hood off the car and bringing it home with us on the bus and and here we are today to live another day and sit down with this incredible guest. And so, Jeremy, you want to talk a little bit how we actually got to this guest. In my

Jeremy Perkins  3:50  

vast conversation with Roy from vintage AX works, I you know, we were going over some of the people that he had on his podcast. I'm an avid listener his podcast. I really liked it. And he dives into the maker community, which is awesome. One of his guests, and one of his good friends is Ben snore. And I really wanted to interview this guy. This guy is right up our alley. I just started a farm. You know, he's a third generation rancher. I thought this would be a good jump off point for season three. So I really wanted to pick his brain, and I'm really happy that we were able to make it work. The guy's awesome. You're gonna love it. We'll get into this episode.

Eric Girouard  4:29  

Great. Let's go.

Jeremy Perkins  4:31  

So today we're here with Ben. Snore, Ben, you're a rancher and blacksmith by trade, correct?

Ben Snure  4:38  

I am half assed at both of them, but I try,

Jeremy Perkins  4:46  

well, there's actually more to you. There's a big history. So I'd actually like to start with with how you got into ranching.

Ben Snure  4:54  

I grew up around a ranch. My dad side of the family had a ranch that was homesteaded in. Ian, 1897 in the southeast corner of Arizona by my great grandfather. So my grandfather ran it. My dad grew up there. He went off to college. My uncle ran the ranch, and I ended up going out there and working for him for a pretty good while, until we both got sick of each other. Then I bounced around other ranches until I got offered the job I'm in now in Clarendon, Texas, and I've been here for 13 years on Monday.

Jeremy Perkins  5:35  

So from what I hear this, so this ranch that you're at now is cattle and exotic animals. Is that correct?

Ben Snure  5:41  

It is? It is the exotic game deals kind of oddball, because for years, they had the animals, and they just kind of like to look at them, and there wasn't any herd management. And so the genetics we had weren't real great. But the past, oh, three years now, we've been culling a lot of animals, bringing in some new blood, and really trying to build it back up into a little bit more of a hunting place.

Jeremy Perkins  6:04  

Oh, okay, that's, that's actually a cool idea. My uncle's down in West Texas, and he took my father on one of those. And that's big down there. All the guys is hunting down there.

Ben Snure  6:13  

Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of money in it, if you if you got the right animals and the right clientele,

Jeremy Perkins  6:18  

yeah. Over the course of covid, I switched from being a mechanic to I jumped into the whole agriculture and livestock game myself. And boy, I mean, I feel like I'm over my head, but it's definitely something that I really enjoy to do. That's

Ben Snure  6:35  

a pretty big jump from mechanicing to ranching. Well, at the same time, I wish I was more of a mechanic, because I can't wrench on things, and it would be pretty handy if I could. That's kind

Jeremy Perkins  6:51  

of like one of the big takeaways here, though, is, you know, once you have some sort of working skill set, I won't take away from it, but there's the transferable skills, which has always been good, like I, I still do a fair amount of mechanic work. And then it, it transfers over to carpentry, which may not be the best, but, you know, I'm sure there's some stuff you did, you know, as a rancher that made it easier for you to start your career as a blacksmith too well. And

Ben Snure  7:15  

I was, I was a trim carpenter for, I don't know, three, four years after high school, and that kind of meticulous nature that I have, of worked well with Trim Carpentry, and also goes well with the way I like to forge stuff is kind of being too dumb to give up I get from ranching. Yep.

Eric Girouard  7:43  

So, so Ben, so obviously, so Jeremy knows you. You a lot, a lot more intimately than I do. But so if you were to sum yourself up and correct me where I'm wrong, I want to make sure we get a good picture of you. So born into a ranching family and then branched out on your own, which got you into kind of blacksmithing, and now, now you're also back into ranching, but for a non family business, or how would you kind of sum yourself up?

Ben Snure  8:06  

I grew up around ranching. Got offered a job by some other people to run their ranch, and then I wanted to build bits and spurs, which, you know, comes directly from Cowboy and yep, yep. I just couldn't do like. I just didn't know how to do it. It was I couldn't learn by myself. At that point, there were I didn't have the internet, I didn't have a smartphone. The books were not very helpful, and I didn't have anybody else around me to learn. So later, after I quit messing with that and started picking up blacksmithing again, and by that point, I had the internet and Instagram, and that was a tremendous help. And so I just do, you know, I run this ranch during the day, and then I blacksmith at night. Yep,

Eric Girouard  8:52  

yep, you're doing both. You're doing what you grew up seeing and doing, and then running your own own business on top of that as well. Correct?

Jeremy Perkins  8:59  

So where do you see yourself going? Do you see yourself going more black, missing or more rancher, or somewhere in the middle? Yeah,

Ben Snure  9:06  

I like where I'm at right now. I really enjoy the cowboy work. Like everything else, there's things that you don't enjoy, like Plumbing and trying to fix a lawn mower or fixing tires on a tractor. But for the most part, I really like that during the day, and it's a good you know, and having this full time job allows me to keep the blacksmithing part fun. I think if I was doing it full time, all the time, it would be, you know, like everything, if you do it all the time, it just becomes work.

Jeremy Perkins  9:37  

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Eric Girouard  9:41  

The minute you turn your passion into a business, it can, you can lose it. Can lose its Buster really fast when you become a you know,

Ben Snure  9:50  

you know just it's a job, yeah,

Jeremy Perkins  9:55  

what's actually the number one thing you know now that you would wish you'd known when you were starting. Are Now, I know it's a tough one. Honestly, I would have been a highline electrician if I knew what I know now. I mean,

Ben Snure  10:11  

make a killing. You know, this is gonna sound counterproductive. I wish I'd have dropped out of high school and just gone right to work full time. Yeah, I've got a high school degree. That's the highest education I have. It has not done me any good. I hated school. I wish I'd had gone to work and, you know, maybe even go gone into a trade, as opposed to what I'm doing, yep. I mean, that's kind of a weird one to say, but that's something that I would have gotten to where I'm at sooner had I done that. Yeah, yeah, no, I

Jeremy Perkins  10:52  

definitely agree. I mean, I've been to multiple trade schools, and, you know, through the military and even privately, when I grew up there, I didn't have a trade school, so that was, that was one of my biggest downfalls. So I actually, when I went into the military, I had a trade school, and then I wish I learned more life skills in high school than pre algebra, algebra, stuff that I can't

Ben Snure  11:16  

really take with me. Exactly No.

Eric Girouard  11:18  

That reminds me there's, but there's like, a rule, like the 10,000 hour rule, you become an expert in your craft. And what it sounds like you're saying is, like, if you got those, you know, two or three extra years, you know, say you're working 2020 500 hours a year, you would have gotten to where you were, you know, two or three years faster. Basically, it's not like anything you learned in those last two years of high school. Sounds like they were too rich to where you were. Like shit. That's really helped me out. You're like shit I just, you know, showed up, I

Ben Snure  11:43  

graduated high school just because my parents wanted me to. And it's just, I'm not a school type person, but like a trade school learning to do something that I like and and can use my hands that is much more appealing, but, you know, they don't. That's not something that's really promoted anywhere. Still, yeah, is going to a trade school. I didn't, I didn't really even know there was such a thing. And my wife is a teacher, and that's something that they're not allowed to tell these kids, really, that college isn't for you. Maybe you should learn how to be a plumber or an electrician or mechanic or a welder or whatever. At that age, you know what you want, something different than school, but it's hard to know about figuring out how to do it. Well,

Eric Girouard  12:28  

Jeremy went to a trade school, right? Doesn't. Is Not, not a naysayer, but also isn't like it was the best thing ever. It seems like there's, like, a new version of it, like the right way to go about it. You find it. You find stud out in the in the area that's like, if you want to be a plumber, go find the best plumber you can and work for him, for, you know, free or for a little and you're going to learn from that person. Then sitting in a classroom learning plumbing on, you know, PowerPoint presentations,

Jeremy Perkins  12:52  

yeah. I mean, that's kind of the hard part too. Is they made all these credentials and certifications that you kind of do have to do the schooling too, which kind of Yeah, you know, yeah, exactly. If you were to have a younger version of you as your protege, what kind of gumption does he need to get up and work with

Ben Snure  13:13  

you every day? A whole lot of being able to just do shitty jobs and not bitch if you work hard for me and you don't complain, yeah, the better life is for everybody. The more you get paid, the more you know, fun stuff, the faster you do, the shitty jobs, the more quicker we can go do fun stuff. Let's go rope something. Let's go shoot guns. Let's go drive the fence and drink a beer. Let's, you know, do these things that that you want to do, but before that, I mean, you're gonna, let's, we're gonna have to go dig up this water line that's, you know, shitty muddy horse stall, and fix a damn stock tank, you know. And I'm not somebody who, who's got just an endless list of things that you know is never going to get finished. I kind of get itemized things. These are the things that I need to get done for the day, or we need to get done for the day. And if we get those done, then we can, like I said, Go do something fun, or just kick back and relax. And the same with the next day, because that having that big, long list is just overwhelming and, you know, it's just never ending. So if you kind of just pick off little bits of it, get those little bits knocked out, then you have a sense of accomplishment, instead of just continuously being overwhelmed that you're never going to get it all done.

Jeremy Perkins  14:33  

Well, now, actually, you're speaking to me, which is, which is, I'm at that phase, because we, we just got this place in February. I do feel like we have that perpetual list that never gets done. And, and, you know, it is, it is daunting. It's frustrating at times. And, and I think some days we had a we had a guest on in prior episodes, and she had said that, you know, it. You're struggling at something. Sometimes you just need to put it aside, go to the next task. It's better to have 10 tasks done in the day and one unfinished than to have one unfinished and nothing else done

Ben Snure  15:09  

well. And I agree, and sometimes you know, as you're struggling with this list to get done, and you have that one thing that you can't get done, sometimes you just got to get a win, like, go do something. Go sweep something out and get something accomplished that you can feel good about, and go back into that other, harder project with a little more, you know, confidence after taking the beat down that's already given

Jeremy Perkins  15:33  

it. Yeah, yeah. So what's one of the biggest things that you're looking forward to doing? I know that you know, in the blacksmith space, or even, even building this game Ranch, like, what, what gets you jazzed up, and what, you know, what's the big project that you're that you're looking forward to?

Ben Snure  15:50  

You know, I don't necessarily have any projects right now that I'm looking forward to, but I'm looking forward to, and there's no telling with the way the world has turned regressed with this covid deal, but getting to get out and travel and hang out with other blacksmiths. I mean, the blacksmith community as a whole, everybody's pretty isolated. I know, like, for myself, there's nobody really close to me that does the same sort of stuff, and so, like, there's the makers camp I was planning on going to that, and hopefully that still will work out.

Jeremy Perkins  16:23  

We were, we were trying to get up there too. Like you said, the maker community has been, has been unbelievably. Arms open and welcoming. It's been awesome,

Ben Snure  16:31  

yeah. And so it's, it's more for me, just wanting to get out and meet and work with these other people that I know through Instagram, talk on the phone with and respect and but I've never, you know, been able to look them in, see the reds of their eyes or anything.

Jeremy Perkins  16:49  

We just had that the other day with Miss Roy. I finally got to meet Roy from vintage accessories. We did podcasts with him. You know, a while back,

we really hit it off. I was struggling with my podcast capabilities. I didn't think I was doing all that great. And Roy said, knock the shit off and be yourself. And then that was kind of one of the biggest changing points in my podcast career. And I finally got to shake his hand not too long ago and say, Hey, thanks for that. And we, you know, we tore it up for a couple of days. But, yeah, no, it was, it was nice to finally put, you know, a face to the name, you know what? I

Ben Snure  17:24  

mean, yeah, see, and that's, that's another person I'd like to shake his hand buying one of his gross IPAs. He's

Jeremy Perkins  17:34  

good, no, but

Eric Girouard  17:35  

we get, we hear that, yeah, that you guys all that, all the guys in and women as well, that the top makers There you guys are all across the country. Got Jesse up in Vermont. You got Roy down in Warsaw, Kentucky.

Jeremy Perkins  17:48  

There's Chris. Chris is out of what? Virginia, Maryland, Maryland.

Ben Snure  17:53  

You got the director. I'm extremely flattered you would lump me in with the top makers. But that is definitely not the case. I've seen

Jeremy Perkins  18:01  

their hammers, they're freaking unbelievable. Yeah,

Eric Girouard  18:05  

there's probably some killer blacksmiths and killer makers out there that no one's ever heard of. You guys are leading those you guys, you guys are figuring out the mark, you know, the social media like you're letting the world know what you guys are doing. There's probably people that no one's ever heard of and that never will, because they're just, you know, keeping to themselves, doing their thing. But what's common, you guys are starting to realize the power of this social media is like, you know, it's a megaphone. You can, you can reach millions, you know, with what you guys are doing. You know,

Ben Snure  18:32  

the the funny thing about that is, I know some of these guys that you know, and it's more in the farrier industry, but are just these unbelievable makers of tools and just blacksmithing stuff, but they don't use any social media. You know, a lot of people use Facebook, and I don't do that, but it's funny that I got into black smithing because of Instagram. But then, why would you not try to advertise yourself on something like Instagram? It's free advertising, and millions of people look at it every day.

Jeremy Perkins  19:09  

To your point, I think it was you that that had spoke about a guy in Texas who does refurbish, like blacksmith, post spices, and I he's got, like, a really small account down in in in Texas, but he is so,

Ben Snure  19:26  

oh yeah, Gary Estes, yeah.

Jeremy Perkins  19:28  

So he's, I actually follow him after he had mentioned it, and he has such a small following, but it's such a powerful following. It's not like 200,000 followers of people that may or may not like my stuff, it's 2000 followers of people who I interact with on a daily basis and know intimately. So I have a lot of respect for for you guys, and what you guys do. Perry

Ben Snure  19:52  

is a great guy. Yeah, I bought a few things from him, and I've been happy with him every single time I.

Jeremy Perkins  20:01  

Yeah, yeah, no. Those, those vices come out awesome. He and he just, he doesn't reality. He just re he repurposes them. All

Ben Snure  20:09  

the stuff he gets comes out of Europe. And then he lot of the vices he'll build stands for. He gets a bunch of angles, and then he'll clean them up and sell them. He's a handy blacksmith in his own right, and a master welder, yeah,

Eric Girouard  20:23  

and that's the thing, is, I think a lot of people, especially the young folks listening, is everyone, everyone folks you know, historically, who's got the most followers, but like a guy like that that's in the vice community, like you. You don't, unless you're in devices or you need a vice, you don't need to be, you need to be but if you needed one, he's the guy, or if you're into it, he's the guy. And having 2000 exactly like, Die Hard about your shit is better than having 200 that really don't give a shit. Well, you know what you're doing half the time. And just like, and it's like, you'd rather build a real community of real people than like this fake you know what makes you you know, a lot of people feel good at night, which is how many followers they have, which means nothing at the end of the day. I

Ben Snure  21:03  

couldn't agree with that more. And I, you know, I don't have like, 200,000 followers myself, but the followers I do have, I think, personally, are kind of invested in me, in what I do. You know, like my dog, I had to put her down the other day. And it's just incredible, the amount of people that reached out to me, just for that, you know, and it's I'm not selling anything, I'm not making anything. It's just I had the best dog in the world, and everybody was just very, very nice about that, and I really appreciated this. Yeah,

Jeremy Perkins  21:46  

I heard one of your other podcasts, and your dog had been been through a lot, huh?

Ben Snure  21:53  

Yeah, she had, yeah, the ringer.

Jeremy Perkins  21:57  

You put her back together a few times.

Ben Snure  22:01  

Yeah, yeah, she, she had, I don't, I honestly do not understand how that dog was still alive. I mean, she'd been run over. She's been kicked in, like, nearly had her. I kicked out my cow, and she was pretty damn little, maybe, like six, eight months old. Numerous porcupine tax scored by zebra, just whole slew of shit. And just even whenever she felt horrible was always would try, try her best, to come up and say hi to you, even if she couldn't. And she was just the best. What was the breed? She was a lab Border Collie mix.

Jeremy Perkins  22:46  

Awesome. Got it and so

Ben Snure  22:47  

she kind of wanted to chase cows, but would would stop pretty quick and go swim if there's some water around,

Jeremy Perkins  22:53  

whatever's doing well, you got a coyote problem down there. Would never change coyotes. The Coyotes

Ben Snure  22:57  

cut. She was healthy enough size, and the coyotes didn't really tangle with her a whole lot. I had another dog named Oliver that got torn up pretty bad by coyotes, but she didn't really have much of an issue with them. Yeah,

Jeremy Perkins  23:10  

I got a guardian livestock Guardian dog. I got Anatolian Shepherd and Great Pyrenees mixed. And the only thing that that dog's done for me right now is kill my chicken. So it's kind of a little counterintuitive.

Ben Snure  23:29  

Yeah, might be getting a demotion.

Jeremy Perkins  23:34  

I mean, moving along outside of everything, right? What do you like to do other than outside

Eric Girouard  23:39  

of ranching, outside of blacksmithing. We know blacksmith is kind of your passion, but it's kind of a

Ben Snure  23:44  

fly fish.

Eric Girouard  23:46  

Ooh. All right, all

Ben Snure  23:48  

right, you know, if I could do anything, just do anything, I would fish. And I don't want to guide people or do anything like that. I would just go fish every day.

Eric Girouard  23:59  

Yeah, you don't want to turn into a job. You want it to be what it is. No, exactly. That's awesome. And when you go out fishing, what you're listening to tunes, having some drinks, or just just you in the water, and that's it.

Ben Snure  24:13  

Beer, no music, all

Eric Girouard  24:15  

right, yeah, yeah. The musical skill of fish that probably makes make some sense, is my Yes,

Ben Snure  24:20  

you know, I wear earbuds all the time, but I, I still, it's just kind of that's one of the places where I don't want to listen to anything,

Eric Girouard  24:31  

yep, yep, and just unwind and think about shit.

Ben Snure  24:34  

You bet. Thanks. A lot. Awesome. So,

Eric Girouard  24:37  

all right, so we're, this isn't two for you, because you got two things going on. You got the ranch inside, you got the blacks in the black in the side from the ranching side. What's the number one tool that you rely on to get your job done? If you got to pick one, I know you, it's probably a bunch. But if there's one thing, the

Ben Snure  24:53  

Polaris Ranger, that is. My number one tool. I It is rough around here. There's spots I can't get to with a pickup. I don't want to have to go. Saddling a horse isn't quick enough to, like, carry tools or any of that stuff. I can go anywhere and carry a bunch of stuff in a ranger. I can go feed cows. I can carry fencing supplies, plumbing supplies. I can pull trees out of water gaps. I can just do anything with one of those. Man,

Eric Girouard  25:28  

that's awesome. Jeremy just got one up for their farm. Yeah,

Jeremy Perkins  25:32  

it was worth every penny we were doing everything with. Like, I bought a tractor, and it just was, it was getting to be too much. And then we were like, I'm gonna go out and buy this utility Ranger. And it's just been, it's awesome. I mean, carries all the hay, water, tools. I mean, hell, I'm scooping shit into it. It's

Eric Girouard  25:51  

perfect. Yeah. Well, we Yeah. So we went ATV last, last fall for, you know, sometimes we work pretty hard, so we try to take some weekends we went ATV and got stuck in the woods. We ended up meeting an executive for Polaris in the middle of the woods who jumped on us, which is hilarious. And one of our trips, you saw, we probably we just did a trip, a weekend trip with Roy. We didn't ask for a thing, but we're trying to do a weekend this winter or next spring with Polaris and and hopefully working with our buddy Nick Bosak, who's an executive there to do something with players, just because what we do is so you know, people, not only do you depend on them as tools, but then, then you can also have a shift on the fun when you're when you're out the clock with those things

Ben Snure  26:33  

too, you best learn they're the best I can't Ian, you know, I feel dumb because that's something I put it off For a long time. We had the Rangers out here at the ranch, and I just kept driving, you know, this f3 54 door flatbed pickup all the time, and it's, you know, it just beats the shit out of them. And I'm, you know, using $150 a diesel every week, and now it's spending $10 on gas a week and saving all the wear and tear on everything else.

Eric Girouard  27:06  

So now, when you flip over to your night job, which is still your passion, but your blacksmithing, what's the one tool in that that you rely on to get that done?

Ben Snure  27:18  

It's kind of of a toss up between the power hammer and the press, yeah, and I just used both of them so much on you know, everything I do that, it's kind of hard to say which one I'd take more. But my power hammer has been broken for quite a while, and luckily, Andrew Alexander blacksmith tools has lent me apart. I got it put on yesterday that I can go back to work. But I've got a new power hammer coming, and I'm hoping that may be kind of the the be all, end all of tools for me.

Jeremy Perkins  27:53  

Now, I know a lot of makers go old, old mechanical. Are you going old mechanical? Are you going new technology? I've

Ben Snure  28:00  

already got, I've already got old mechanical so I'm going new, self contained. I'm getting 165 pound and Yang from James Johnson.

Jeremy Perkins  28:11  

Either way is not wrong, but it's just interesting to see which way makers go. A lot of them, you know, go back to, you know, the 1800s and you're going into 2022

Ben Snure  28:22  

well, and it's kind of like everything else. There's the nostalgia of these old tools, and they work well, and they've been working well for so long. But like everything else, technology progresses, and these newer hammers will just give you have more capability than what 100 pound Little Giant made in 1946 will do. I mean, laser pointers on on a on a miter saw. You know the laser line on a miter saw or laser measuring tool, if you're doing a bid for construction, I mean, you got to take advantage of the technological advancement, little bit

Eric Girouard  29:03  

of romance, to use the nostalgic stuff, which is more fun if it's if it's true hobby, true like passion and love, but the minute you're trying to turn it into maybe a higher performing product or a business, which is a little bit of a buster, technology is The answer is, in it, you know, people have a hard time, you know, with that, because there's so much nostalgia and the old stuff. But it's like, hey, the news, the new stuff is 100 years newer than the old stuff. And, you know, it's not that, it's not that it built any smart it's just the times have changed. The times have turned so this has been incredible getting know the whole story, the complexity of branching meets blacksmith and what's worked versus what's not work. But you, you seem like you you've got a lifestyle that many, many would like to have, which is, you know, you get to wake up every day, do what you love, and. To pay the bills and have a lot of fun along with it. So we're super appreciative, glad you took the time with us. So the question is, anything we can do on our end, what accounts should we should we send people to your social and your pod? Anything you're involved in, any any affiliations that you want us to tag and plug and drive some folks your way as they listen to this podcast, hopefully, not only immediately, but for years to come. You know, podcasts have a long tail, so this thing will live a long life, hopefully for the next

Ben Snure  30:28  

few years. I would say, I'd say my Instagram, which is at Ben sewer, and then also, you can buy my tools through wellshad.com well shot doc in their affairs, supply and the Amarillo, but they also carry a bunch of blacksmithing tools, and they're just really good people.

Jeremy Perkins  30:51  

And I actually want to add to this plug, because, you know, they were the ones that introduced us, but the boys over there, AX and iron podcast, Roy from Vincent, Jack's works, and Chris, from what is it? Mount, Mount Vernon,

Ben Snure  31:05  

mount, Mount underscore, Phillip underscore. Metal works, something like that. Lot of underscores, but mount Philip, metal works,

Jeremy Perkins  31:18  

yeah, we'll tag them in it. But yeah, I mean, they really, you know, they did something special with the makers. And if you want to learn more about the makers and Ben, you, you dive deep into a little bit more on the maker side and their podcast, so that, you know, it's, it was great for them to connect us. And I'm really appreciative to meet you, you

Ben Snure  31:38  

know. And it's just funny this whole maker community, how you just get to meet so many different people? You know, Chris cash, he's been out here to the ranch, and we did some blacksmithing and driving around and getting to meet Roy and Jeff in New York. I just never thought building hammers would connect me with so many interesting people from all over the place, right, right? A lead community. So

Eric Girouard  32:03  

it sounds like what we need to do is we need to get our friends over at Polaris and us to organize a bucket talk weekend, which, which, which isn't going to have anvils or hammers, and get a lot of you guys all together to have some fun and talk stuff without, without doing any work.

Ben Snure  32:22  

I like to, I kind of like the sound of that, but I'd like to, let's all do it, and we'll drive around on on rangers and drink beer at the end of the day and record

Eric Girouard  32:33  

that's all. That's the only way we know how well,

Jeremy Perkins  32:38  

thanks for being on with us. We'll be in contact and yeah, it's been a pleasure.

Ben Snure  32:44  

Marty, good. Thank you, gentlemen. You

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